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> What climate change changes is the frequency. Where is the data you used to support that claim? And, what is this "climate change" thing anyway. The climat

> What climate change changes is the frequency. Where is the data you used to support that claim? And, what is this "climate change" thing anyway. The climate has been changing since this planet was formed. So, yeah, climate is a part of the reality of living on this planet. And that's news, how? You see, that's the problem with this issue. Of course climate change is real. Who would dispute that fact? What isn't real is instantly attributing EVERYTHING to climate change. Every fire we ever have in California is instantly attributed to climate change, and this is spoken as indisputable truth that nobody should dare doubt. Like fires materialize out of nowhere due to molecular alchemy caused by climate change. This is pure unadulterated insanity. When someone says "it's climate change" we are all supposed to kneel down, bow our collective heads and accept it as the truth. Well, I call on Zeus then. Why not? Who is going to dispute that the fires and your reef example were not caused by Zeus being angry at us? Prove me wrong. You know what was needed to prevent this disaster? Simple: Water: Reservoirs were EMPTY due to political decisions Funding: The fire department has been shrinking for many years. During that time the city has grown. And, during that time, they have been asking for more funding. Instead they got budget cuts and less fire stations. Execution: Companies who hire incompetent people fail. The same is true of government. People have been voting for the incompetent, and this is the result. Maintenance: The only vegetation control we have is when a wild fire burns down entire hills. If we don't control the fuel the results are predictable. Enforcement: People must be responsible for hardening their property against fires. Reservoir: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-in-palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flame... https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/los-angeles-water-chief-knew-about-empty-reservoir-broken-hydrants-months-before-fires-mayor-karen-bass-department-water-power-janisse-quinones-reservoir-pacific-palisades-report https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/los-angeles-water-c... Climate change? The other day there was an interview with the Chief of the fire department. They printed and displayed, on a table, some thirty different documents (if not more) from the last several years. These documents show how they have been asking for help and got nothing at all. Climate change? There's an interview with a guy who saved his home and those of two of his neighbors...using a garden hose. Sure, a bit of luck had to play a part here. However, one thing he said during the interview is endemic to aspects of this event: He said that in the time he spent fighting the fires he never saw a single fire brigade come by to protect any of the surrounding homes. Not one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYQlnHdMqC0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYQlnHdMqC0 Climate change? > Climate change has made the frequency of these disasters increase. And, out of the million other variables driving planetary forces, not a single one plays part on any of these events. It is decreed that it this is due to a single variable, climate change. Time to kneel down and accept it. We cannot do a damn thing about climate change. Not one thing. The hubris in this religion is incredible. People are walking around talking about this like controlling a planetary scale effect is actually something we can do. It's madness. I mean, the LA fires this week, when compared to planetary scale, were utterly insignificant in scale. A planetary rounding error. And we had no power when facing such a thing, while, in the same breath, people are saying things like "We have to control climate change!". The only reason we had some control is because the winds stopped for a couple of days. Have we gone mad? The planet has always changed, evolved and mutated. And we learned to live on it. It --the planet-- sets the rules. We have to live within them. If things are changing, we adapt. It isn't apocalyptic. It's just change. We can't fix it. Now, that would require Zeus.

defrost 2y ago
> Where is the data you used to support that claim? NASA ... * https://science.nasa.gov/earth/natural-disasters/wildfires/six-trends-to-know-about-fire-season-in-the-western-us/ https://science.nasa.gov/earth/natural-disasters/wildfires/s... * https://landsat.gsfc.nasa.gov/article/climate-change-pushes-wildfires-to-new-heights/ https://landsat.gsfc.nasa.gov/article/climate-change-pushes-... * https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-shows-climate-changes-impact-on-fires/ https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-sho... And poor land management of course .. but also climate change. > The planet has always changed, evolved and mutated. Sure .. it had a molten surface once. Specifically global climate (not weather) has been stable during the development of agricultural and technological humans. Now, in the space of the last century, that stable climate is rapidly (relative to past changes) changing as a direct thermodymic result of human activity adding significant insulation to the atmosphere. This has consequences. These consequences are a direct result of human behaviour.
- robomartin 2y ago
  Not one of the three articles you posted supports climate change as the root cause of anything, including the frequency of events. They all do resort to the "Thor is angry at us" method of ascribing causality where it does not exist. Why? Because, if you are a researcher the money keeps flowing as long as you support the cult. Any researcher who dares question this can look forward to driving for Uber. This cult has become a powerful political tool, and science has been distorted because of it. Notes (quotes from articles you posted): "How has only 11 percent of the west burned, yet the annual number of acres burned and the frequency of fire increased? It turns out that many fires are occurring in areas that have already experienced fires, known as burn-on-burn effects. About 3 percent—almost a third of the burned land—has seen repeated fire activity." Interesting, isn't it. THE WORLD IS ON FIRE! THE WORLD IS ON FIRE! FIRES ARE HAPPENING MORE OFTEN! Wait. Wait. What's going on? Only 11% has burned and a third of that is the same areas burning? Well, first, this does not look like the end of the world at all. This hints at other reasons. What are they? Well, as is usually the case, none of these papers discuss or explore other potential drivers in detail. It's climate change. Kneel, bow down and accept everything we tell you to think and do. OK, so, a few of us like to actually think. How about this: https://www.statista.com/statistics/206097/resident-population-in-california/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/206097/resident-populati... Population of California has gone from about 15 million to 40 million since 1960. Surely that had nothing to do with it. Right? What is the probability of more homes, vehicles, power lines, power consumption and accidents increasing any kind of event when the population of a region quadruples in size? No, sorry, it's climate change. How dare I suggest that more people occupying a region might lead to more of anything. How dare I suggest that mismanagement and bad governance might actually be part of the problem. Here's another fun one: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1067138/population-united-states-historical/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1067138/population-unite... Population of the US went from 80 million in 1900 to over 300 million today. Yet, everything is caused by climate change. Everything. Well, that's what one of the articles clearly states anyway: “But because the root cause is climate change, the most important path forward is to prevent further degradation and warming, which requires both individual and collective action.” Once again, kneel down and submit. It's climate change, not a 4x population growth and everything that comes with it. Well, at least one of the articles takes a glancing pass at this, while neglecting to mention population quadrupled: "In the Western U.S., people are accidentally igniting fires all the time" Four times more people folks. Does it stand to reason that you might have an increase of incidents that might lead to large fires? Nah, climate change. "For example, in 2018 sparks flying from hammering a concrete stake into the ground in 100-degree Fahrenheit heat and sparks from a car's tire rim scraping against the asphalt after a flat tire were the causes of California's devastatingly destructive Ranch and Carr Fires, respectively" Four times the population has no impact on the occurrence rate of potential fire-starting events? Anyhow, this is why I react badly to the climate change card constantly being pulled out as the root cause of absolutely everything. The domain has become polluted with bad science and politics. It is dishonest and likely damaging to society. From my perspective it seems very difficult to list it as the root cause because almost 100% of the time people neglect to include a million other variables in the conversation. Be careful with buying into a cult. Human sacrifices were justified with such things.

defrost 2y ago

> Where is the data you used to support that claim? NASA ... * https://science.nasa.gov/earth/natural-disasters/wildfires/six-trends-to-know-about-fire-season-in-the-western-us/ https://science.nasa.gov/earth/natural-disasters/wildfires/s... * https://landsat.gsfc.nasa.gov/article/climate-change-pushes-wildfires-to-new-heights/ https://landsat.gsfc.nasa.gov/article/climate-change-pushes-... * https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-shows-climate-changes-impact-on-fires/ https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-sho... And poor land management of course .. but also climate change. > The planet has always changed, evolved and mutated. Sure .. it had a molten surface once. Specifically global climate (not weather) has been stable during the development of agricultural and technological humans. Now, in the space of the last century, that stable climate is rapidly (relative to past changes) changing as a direct thermodymic result of human activity adding significant insulation to the atmosphere. This has consequences. These consequences are a direct result of human behaviour.

robomartin 2y ago
Not one of the three articles you posted supports climate change as the root cause of anything, including the frequency of events. They all do resort to the "Thor is angry at us" method of ascribing causality where it does not exist. Why? Because, if you are a researcher the money keeps flowing as long as you support the cult. Any researcher who dares question this can look forward to driving for Uber. This cult has become a powerful political tool, and science has been distorted because of it. Notes (quotes from articles you posted): "How has only 11 percent of the west burned, yet the annual number of acres burned and the frequency of fire increased? It turns out that many fires are occurring in areas that have already experienced fires, known as burn-on-burn effects. About 3 percent—almost a third of the burned land—has seen repeated fire activity." Interesting, isn't it. THE WORLD IS ON FIRE! THE WORLD IS ON FIRE! FIRES ARE HAPPENING MORE OFTEN! Wait. Wait. What's going on? Only 11% has burned and a third of that is the same areas burning? Well, first, this does not look like the end of the world at all. This hints at other reasons. What are they? Well, as is usually the case, none of these papers discuss or explore other potential drivers in detail. It's climate change. Kneel, bow down and accept everything we tell you to think and do. OK, so, a few of us like to actually think. How about this: https://www.statista.com/statistics/206097/resident-population-in-california/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/206097/resident-populati... Population of California has gone from about 15 million to 40 million since 1960. Surely that had nothing to do with it. Right? What is the probability of more homes, vehicles, power lines, power consumption and accidents increasing any kind of event when the population of a region quadruples in size? No, sorry, it's climate change. How dare I suggest that more people occupying a region might lead to more of anything. How dare I suggest that mismanagement and bad governance might actually be part of the problem. Here's another fun one: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1067138/population-united-states-historical/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1067138/population-unite... Population of the US went from 80 million in 1900 to over 300 million today. Yet, everything is caused by climate change. Everything. Well, that's what one of the articles clearly states anyway: “But because the root cause is climate change, the most important path forward is to prevent further degradation and warming, which requires both individual and collective action.” Once again, kneel down and submit. It's climate change, not a 4x population growth and everything that comes with it. Well, at least one of the articles takes a glancing pass at this, while neglecting to mention population quadrupled: "In the Western U.S., people are accidentally igniting fires all the time" Four times more people folks. Does it stand to reason that you might have an increase of incidents that might lead to large fires? Nah, climate change. "For example, in 2018 sparks flying from hammering a concrete stake into the ground in 100-degree Fahrenheit heat and sparks from a car's tire rim scraping against the asphalt after a flat tire were the causes of California's devastatingly destructive Ranch and Carr Fires, respectively" Four times the population has no impact on the occurrence rate of potential fire-starting events? Anyhow, this is why I react badly to the climate change card constantly being pulled out as the root cause of absolutely everything. The domain has become polluted with bad science and politics. It is dishonest and likely damaging to society. From my perspective it seems very difficult to list it as the root cause because almost 100% of the time people neglect to include a million other variables in the conversation. Be careful with buying into a cult. Human sacrifices were justified with such things.