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20 years ago you didn't get lifetime-banned by an AI for going off the beaten path and experimenting. That's what I was pointing out. And I did actually run t

20 years ago you didn't get lifetime-banned by an AI for going off the beaten path and experimenting. That's what I was pointing out. And I did actually run the mail server. A friend set it up for me, SpamAssassin or something else may have been involved. The main thing was, though, you could still send email from your own SMTP server without it being automatically binned because it doesn't come from one of the big, "trusted" email services.

owebmaster 2y ago
> 20 years ago you didn't get lifetime-banned by an AI for going off the beaten path and experimenting. That's what I was pointing out 20 years ago a mod would do that and today they still do for example here in this forum
- lmm 2y ago
  From one forum or IRC channel, sure. But you could spin up another, there were plenty. You couldn't get banned "from email" - maybe from one email host if you really pissed off the guy at one ISP, but that would only be a tiny fraction of the people you wanted to email.
  - owebmaster 2y ago
    You also can spin up another social network, it doesn't work well the same way it didn't work very well spinning up another irc channel or server. And spinning up another HN doesn't work as well.
    - lmm 2y ago
      Spinning up another HN or Twitter is hard because the web is a lot more centralised these days. Back in the old days you could spin up an alternate IRC channel or web forum and have a decent chance of succeeding, I saw it happen and even did it myself once or twice.
      - owebmaster 2y ago
        > Back in the old days you could spin up an alternate IRC channel or web forum and have a decent chance of succeeding Yes I agree. It is like creating a new whatsapp group or a new instagram profile nowadays, which also has higher chances of succeeding, inside the walled garden of someone else.
        lmm 2y ago
        > It is like creating a new whatsapp group or a new instagram profile nowadays, which also has higher chances of succeeding, inside the walled garden of someone else. The point is it's now quite easy to get banned from the whole platform. Whereas in the old days it was pretty hard to get banned from a whole IRC network (it would happen if you were DDoSing the network or insulting an ircop directly, but never just because you said the wrong thing in your own channels, and worst case even the IRC networks were less centralised than today's social networks) and virtually impossible to get banned from the whole web to the point that you couldn't make a new web forum.
ryandrake 2y ago
I run my own mail server today for my family, and very rarely have deliverability problems. Bog standard Linux install, exim4, dovecot, SpamAssassin. It's basically set and forget. I've been doing so for over a decade, so I probably built up some pretty good IP reputation, but it's totally possible to run mail yourself.

owebmaster 2y ago

> 20 years ago you didn't get lifetime-banned by an AI for going off the beaten path and experimenting. That's what I was pointing out 20 years ago a mod would do that and today they still do for example here in this forum

lmm 2y ago
From one forum or IRC channel, sure. But you could spin up another, there were plenty. You couldn't get banned "from email" - maybe from one email host if you really pissed off the guy at one ISP, but that would only be a tiny fraction of the people you wanted to email.
- owebmaster 2y ago
  You also can spin up another social network, it doesn't work well the same way it didn't work very well spinning up another irc channel or server. And spinning up another HN doesn't work as well.
  - lmm 2y ago
    Spinning up another HN or Twitter is hard because the web is a lot more centralised these days. Back in the old days you could spin up an alternate IRC channel or web forum and have a decent chance of succeeding, I saw it happen and even did it myself once or twice.
    - owebmaster 2y ago
      > Back in the old days you could spin up an alternate IRC channel or web forum and have a decent chance of succeeding Yes I agree. It is like creating a new whatsapp group or a new instagram profile nowadays, which also has higher chances of succeeding, inside the walled garden of someone else.
      - lmm 2y ago
        > It is like creating a new whatsapp group or a new instagram profile nowadays, which also has higher chances of succeeding, inside the walled garden of someone else. The point is it's now quite easy to get banned from the whole platform. Whereas in the old days it was pretty hard to get banned from a whole IRC network (it would happen if you were DDoSing the network or insulting an ircop directly, but never just because you said the wrong thing in your own channels, and worst case even the IRC networks were less centralised than today's social networks) and virtually impossible to get banned from the whole web to the point that you couldn't make a new web forum.

ryandrake 2y ago

I run my own mail server today for my family, and very rarely have deliverability problems. Bog standard Linux install, exim4, dovecot, SpamAssassin. It's basically set and forget. I've been doing so for over a decade, so I probably built up some pretty good IP reputation, but it's totally possible to run mail yourself.