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> it is performative loyalty of the type that kings used to ask of their subjects. Master/servant is a relationship as old as time. You can acknowledge and nav

> it is performative loyalty of the type that kings used to ask of their subjects. Master/servant is a relationship as old as time. You can acknowledge and navigate it or pretend it doesn't exist.

jay_kyburz 2y ago
In Australia, nobody sees themself as servant, and you will be torn down if you see yourself as a master. Managers are just people like everybody else and have a job with different tasks.
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- trimethylpurine 2y ago
  That sounds like pretense. Are they paid the same? The question is meant as sarcasm. I find this thread so ridiculous. I've traveled all over and lived all over. I rarely find that peoples' perceived cultural distinctions are in line with reality. I think instead it's often just lip service to their own sense of identity. Above, someone mentioned that Americans have an idea that there is a master and servant relation with your boss. As an American I find that shocking. I have never felt that way about my bosses nor have I ever treated an employee that way. As a lowly sys admin many years ago, I went to bars and lunches with CEOs of companies of hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm still friends with them. I'm not worth millions but we still go out for drinks and enjoy dinners together. I'm not just talking about one person. This is not rare. We respond to people the way we think they want us to respond. Your own stereotypes about another culture will be self fulfilling because of that. Additionally any assumption you can make, about American culture specifically, would miss the fact of American culture. We have none because we have all cultures. My kid probably hears more Hindi than English in the classroom. To make any statement about culture in America you'd need to specify. Americans from where have a master/slave mentality? Americans from Australia? India? Pakistan? China? Japan? Which of those are the "Americans" you're referring to? Surely you wouldn't assume each of those groups have just one culture.
HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
False dichotomy. You can refuse to enable such a system.
grey-area 2y ago
Strange journey you’ve gone on here in this thread from adults doing serious thinking about the company mission to admitting you see yourself as a sycophantic servant to your master. Other non-feudal relationships are possible based on mutual respect and honesty.
- liontwist 2y ago
  You interact with executives as if they are your coworker? > sycophantic servant The misunderstanding is that you believe a servant is someone held in chains and beaten with a whip. A master is someone with power and authority, and servant is someone who works for them.
  - grey-area 2y ago
    No, that’s not the misunderstanding here, and that’s not what sycophantic means.

> it is performative loyalty of the type that kings used to ask of their subjects. Master/servant is a relationship as old as time. You can acknowledge and navigate it or pretend it doesn't exist.

jay_kyburz 2y ago

In Australia, nobody sees themself as servant, and you will be torn down if you see yourself as a master. Managers are just people like everybody else and have a job with different tasks.

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trimethylpurine 2y ago
That sounds like pretense. Are they paid the same? The question is meant as sarcasm. I find this thread so ridiculous. I've traveled all over and lived all over. I rarely find that peoples' perceived cultural distinctions are in line with reality. I think instead it's often just lip service to their own sense of identity. Above, someone mentioned that Americans have an idea that there is a master and servant relation with your boss. As an American I find that shocking. I have never felt that way about my bosses nor have I ever treated an employee that way. As a lowly sys admin many years ago, I went to bars and lunches with CEOs of companies of hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm still friends with them. I'm not worth millions but we still go out for drinks and enjoy dinners together. I'm not just talking about one person. This is not rare. We respond to people the way we think they want us to respond. Your own stereotypes about another culture will be self fulfilling because of that. Additionally any assumption you can make, about American culture specifically, would miss the fact of American culture. We have none because we have all cultures. My kid probably hears more Hindi than English in the classroom. To make any statement about culture in America you'd need to specify. Americans from where have a master/slave mentality? Americans from Australia? India? Pakistan? China? Japan? Which of those are the "Americans" you're referring to? Surely you wouldn't assume each of those groups have just one culture.

HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago

False dichotomy. You can refuse to enable such a system.

grey-area 2y ago

Strange journey you’ve gone on here in this thread from adults doing serious thinking about the company mission to admitting you see yourself as a sycophantic servant to your master. Other non-feudal relationships are possible based on mutual respect and honesty.

liontwist 2y ago
You interact with executives as if they are your coworker? > sycophantic servant The misunderstanding is that you believe a servant is someone held in chains and beaten with a whip. A master is someone with power and authority, and servant is someone who works for them.
- grey-area 2y ago
  No, that’s not the misunderstanding here, and that’s not what sycophantic means.