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For a lot of toxic people, the business views them as "high performers" and their harassment of others as a personal flaw. "Separate the art from the artist". S

by jjmarr 2y ago

For a lot of toxic people, the business views them as "high performers" and their harassment of others as a personal flaw. "Separate the art from the artist". Sometimes, being a good person is seen as bad for business, since there's a meme that business is about being ruthless in success. I blame it on movies and TV.

no_wizard 2y ago
Ruthless toxic business culture predates movies and tv. Look at Standard Oil, Carnegie Steel, railroad conglomerates, the existence of legal slavery etc. It is a flaw in the system, given the prevalence unchecked.
- jjmarr 2y ago
  Ruthlessness is for your competitors, not your employees. Locking people into low-wage jobs doesn't benefit the company, because as soon as you get a competitor, you're screwed! If we're using legal slavery as an example, countries that abolished slavery early ended up being more productive because employees actually want to work/innovate/create quality goods. By hiring slaves or treating your employees like crap, you're voluntarily specializing in the low-end of whatever market you're in, because your employees don't care about the product. That's rarely the most profitable move unless you have a monopoly or a commodity good, like the examples you've provided. We're doing this experiment right now in Canada by importing millions of temporary foreign workers/international students to work in slave-like conditions. If ruthless toxic slavery worked, we should be making more money. In reality, our GDP/capita has dropped continuously since 2019 indicating we're actually less profitable per person.
  - no_wizard 2y ago
    To be clear, I’m not equating these things to success in any forms, only that there has been a prevalence of negative patterns stemming from business culture for a long time

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For a lot of toxic people, the business views them as "high performers" and their harassment of others as a personal flaw. "Separate the art from the artist". S

by jjmarr 2y ago

no_wizard 2y ago
Ruthless toxic business culture predates movies and tv. Look at Standard Oil, Carnegie Steel, railroad conglomerates, the existence of legal slavery etc. It is a flaw in the system, given the prevalence unchecked.
- jjmarr 2y ago
  Ruthlessness is for your competitors, not your employees. Locking people into low-wage jobs doesn't benefit the company, because as soon as you get a competitor, you're screwed! If we're using legal slavery as an example, countries that abolished slavery early ended up being more productive because employees actually want to work/innovate/create quality goods. By hiring slaves or treating your employees like crap, you're voluntarily specializing in the low-end of whatever market you're in, because your employees don't care about the product. That's rarely the most profitable move unless you have a monopoly or a commodity good, like the examples you've provided. We're doing this experiment right now in Canada by importing millions of temporary foreign workers/international students to work in slave-like conditions. If ruthless toxic slavery worked, we should be making more money. In reality, our GDP/capita has dropped continuously since 2019 indicating we're actually less profitable per person.
  - no_wizard 2y ago
    To be clear, I’m not equating these things to success in any forms, only that there has been a prevalence of negative patterns stemming from business culture for a long time