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> For its part, OpenAI cut off STS 3D from ChatGPT after the videos gained traction, citing internal policies against using “our service to harm yourself or oth

> For its part, OpenAI cut off STS 3D from ChatGPT after the videos gained traction, citing internal policies against using “our service to harm yourself or others,” which includes the development or “use of weapons.” I wonder how effectively they can enforce a ban… there are ways of buying OAI completions where you never even reveal your identity.

metacritic12 2y ago
In practice it was a targetted ban probably because this video got traction. Analogously, with a lot of grey area stuff, a person can almost surely get away with it ... but not if they post it online and it gets attention.
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  they can just buy openai credits with crypto and no kyc and they are immediately unban able
  - mmcwilliams 2y ago
    They're perfectly bannable if OpenAI is able to flag certain prompts and certain client IPs. Payment modes and accounts aren't the only indicators here. The real problem is building such a brittle system that it can be cut off by your SaaS supplier or is rendered useless by an internet outage.
    - whimsicalism 2y ago
      there are resellers like openrouter so unless openai has perfect coordination with them. yes they can flag certain prompts, true
swatcoder 2y ago
Their ultimate concern isn't some prepper who surreptitiously accesses their services for an auto-turret. They don't want that the bad publicity when that goes wrong of course, but the prevailing concerns are (1) giving allied politicians room to say "they care! see how they try!" as they try to shape regulation into a moat, and (2) preventing competition against their own projects and products for large "defense" institutions They're just making sure that this kind of use isn't normalized or presumed -- a much lower standard than eradicating it completely.
- DaiPlusPlus 2y ago
  > preventing competition against their own projects and products for large "defense" institutions Large defense contractors build their own systems: Some of the best tools for CAD, SCADA, CAM and project-management come from companies like Thales and Dassault. I also have it on good authotity that major US defense contractors' people are very explicitly banned from interacting with any non-local-hosted LLM. Whereas, uncensored LLMs (and the like) with knowledge of firearms and explosives manufacturing are a public-health risk for sure, but not a national-security risk.
- Spooky23 2y ago
  That’s a very narrow focus. The democratization of drones, 3D printing and stuff like this is enormously dangerous.

metacritic12 2y ago

In practice it was a targetted ban probably because this video got traction. Analogously, with a lot of grey area stuff, a person can almost surely get away with it ... but not if they post it online and it gets attention.

whimsicalism 2y ago
they can just buy openai credits with crypto and no kyc and they are immediately unban able
- mmcwilliams 2y ago
  They're perfectly bannable if OpenAI is able to flag certain prompts and certain client IPs. Payment modes and accounts aren't the only indicators here. The real problem is building such a brittle system that it can be cut off by your SaaS supplier or is rendered useless by an internet outage.
  - whimsicalism 2y ago
    there are resellers like openrouter so unless openai has perfect coordination with them. yes they can flag certain prompts, true

swatcoder 2y ago

Their ultimate concern isn't some prepper who surreptitiously accesses their services for an auto-turret. They don't want that the bad publicity when that goes wrong of course, but the prevailing concerns are (1) giving allied politicians room to say "they care! see how they try!" as they try to shape regulation into a moat, and (2) preventing competition against their own projects and products for large "defense" institutions They're just making sure that this kind of use isn't normalized or presumed -- a much lower standard than eradicating it completely.

DaiPlusPlus 2y ago
> preventing competition against their own projects and products for large "defense" institutions Large defense contractors build their own systems: Some of the best tools for CAD, SCADA, CAM and project-management come from companies like Thales and Dassault. I also have it on good authotity that major US defense contractors' people are very explicitly banned from interacting with any non-local-hosted LLM. Whereas, uncensored LLMs (and the like) with knowledge of firearms and explosives manufacturing are a public-health risk for sure, but not a national-security risk.
Spooky23 2y ago
That’s a very narrow focus. The democratization of drones, 3D printing and stuff like this is enormously dangerous.