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This is a take on environmental communication I’ve heard more and more of recently. Out of curiosity, do you know of other literature or people trying to refram

by arn3n 2y ago

This is a take on environmental communication I’ve heard more and more of recently. Out of curiosity, do you know of other literature or people trying to reframe the human/nature relationship?

sriacha 2y ago
Kimmerer: The Serviceberry and Braiding Sweetgrass
walterbell 2y ago
> do you know of other literature or people trying to reframe the human/nature relationship? WHO draft treaties demote humans (including rights) to the same level as other animals and mandates global surveillance of interspecies zoonotic boundaries. The TV series "Zoo", based on writing by James Patterson, includes 3 seasons of thought experiments.
monktastic1 2y ago
You might appreciate Charles Eisenstein (or he might be too "hippie" for you). I posted one quote of his as a top-level comment, but here's another: Clear-cutting aside, the decline of one after another species of trees all over the world is something of a mystery to scientists: in each case, there seems to be a different proximate culprit — a beetle, a fungus, etc. But why have they become susceptible? Acid rain leaching free aluminum from soil silicates? Ground-level ozone damaging leaves? Drought stress caused by deforestation elsewhere? Heat stress due to climate change? Understory damage due to deer overpopulation due to predator extermination? Exogenous insect species? Insect population surges due to the decline of certain bird species? Or is it all of the above? Perhaps underneath all of these vectors of forest decline and climate instability is a more general principle that is inescapable. Everything I have mentioned stems from a kind of derangement in our own society. All come from the perception of separation from nature and from each other, upon which all our systems of money, technology, industry, and so forth are built. Each of these projects itself onto our own psyches as well. The ideology of control says that if we can only identify the “cause,” we can control climate change. Fine, but what if the cause is everything? Economy, politics, emissions, agriculture, medicine … all the way to religion, psychology, our basic stories through which we apprehend the world? We face then the futility of control and the necessity for transformation. ... Thus I say that our revolution must go all the way to the bottom, all the way down to our basic understanding of self and world. We will not survive as a species through more of the same: better breeds of corn, better pesticides, the extension of control to the genetic and molecular level. We need to enter a fundamentally different story. That is why an activist will inevitably find herself working on the level of story. She will find that in addition to addressing immediate needs, even the most practical, hands-on actions are telling a story. They come from and contribute to a new Story of the World.
mxkopy 2y ago
Ishmael by Daniel Quinn
eat_veggies 2y ago
William Cronon, "The Trouble with Wilderness: Or, Getting Back to the Wrong Nature" https://faculty.washington.edu/timbillo/Readings%20and%20documents/Wilderness/Cronon%20The%20trouble%20with%20Wilderness.pdf https://faculty.washington.edu/timbillo/Readings%20and%20doc...
ggregoryarms 2y ago
Try "Way of Being" by James Bridle.
holdit 2y ago
David Abram's 1996 book The Spell of the Sensuous a good starting point. This was also a central theme in a lot of the late John Moriarty's work (although approached more obliquely and holistically than Abram imo). That mantle has been picked up by Martin Shaw. Both discuss how we, as a species, have domesticated ourselves out of our natural and profound connection to the very ground of our being. See also philosopher and neuroscientist Iain McGilchrist's The Master and his Emmisary.
__MatrixMan__ 2y ago
I'm reminded of a sign I once saw at a protest: > We are nature defending itself It might interest you for use as a search query, there seems to be more to it than just a sign.
andrei_says_ 2y ago
Aurora Morales, in one of the essays in Medicine Stories, mentions how we need to stop referring to our biosphere as “environment”. It is not something “out there” that surrounds us. It is the air we take in with every breath etc. we are one with it. Poisoning or destroying it is the very act of poisoning and destroying ourselves. She points out that perceiving the biosphere, the land, other living beings, and humans as resources - and especially resources tied to an economic system of infinite growth, causes us to destroy it all for the creation of illusory value. We are dealing with normalized mental illness on planetary scale which causes humanity to actively destroy our biosphere.
johan_felisaz 2y ago
The anthropologist Philippe Descola with his main work Beyond Nature and Culture has been trying to classify the nature/culture relations by studying comparatively several societies.

by arn3n 2y ago

This is a take on environmental communication I’ve heard more and more of recently. Out of curiosity, do you know of other literature or people trying to reframe the human/nature relationship?

sriacha 2y ago

Kimmerer: The Serviceberry and Braiding Sweetgrass

walterbell 2y ago

> do you know of other literature or people trying to reframe the human/nature relationship? WHO draft treaties demote humans (including rights) to the same level as other animals and mandates global surveillance of interspecies zoonotic boundaries. The TV series "Zoo", based on writing by James Patterson, includes 3 seasons of thought experiments.

monktastic1 2y ago

You might appreciate Charles Eisenstein (or he might be too "hippie" for you). I posted one quote of his as a top-level comment, but here's another: Clear-cutting aside, the decline of one after another species of trees all over the world is something of a mystery to scientists: in each case, there seems to be a different proximate culprit — a beetle, a fungus, etc. But why have they become susceptible? Acid rain leaching free aluminum from soil silicates? Ground-level ozone damaging leaves? Drought stress caused by deforestation elsewhere? Heat stress due to climate change? Understory damage due to deer overpopulation due to predator extermination? Exogenous insect species? Insect population surges due to the decline of certain bird species? Or is it all of the above? Perhaps underneath all of these vectors of forest decline and climate instability is a more general principle that is inescapable. Everything I have mentioned stems from a kind of derangement in our own society. All come from the perception of separation from nature and from each other, upon which all our systems of money, technology, industry, and so forth are built. Each of these projects itself onto our own psyches as well. The ideology of control says that if we can only identify the “cause,” we can control climate change. Fine, but what if the cause is everything? Economy, politics, emissions, agriculture, medicine … all the way to religion, psychology, our basic stories through which we apprehend the world? We face then the futility of control and the necessity for transformation. ... Thus I say that our revolution must go all the way to the bottom, all the way down to our basic understanding of self and world. We will not survive as a species through more of the same: better breeds of corn, better pesticides, the extension of control to the genetic and molecular level. We need to enter a fundamentally different story. That is why an activist will inevitably find herself working on the level of story. She will find that in addition to addressing immediate needs, even the most practical, hands-on actions are telling a story. They come from and contribute to a new Story of the World.

mxkopy 2y ago

Ishmael by Daniel Quinn

eat_veggies 2y ago

William Cronon, "The Trouble with Wilderness: Or, Getting Back to the Wrong Nature" https://faculty.washington.edu/timbillo/Readings%20and%20documents/Wilderness/Cronon%20The%20trouble%20with%20Wilderness.pdf https://faculty.washington.edu/timbillo/Readings%20and%20doc...

ggregoryarms 2y ago

Try "Way of Being" by James Bridle.

holdit 2y ago

David Abram's 1996 book The Spell of the Sensuous a good starting point. This was also a central theme in a lot of the late John Moriarty's work (although approached more obliquely and holistically than Abram imo). That mantle has been picked up by Martin Shaw. Both discuss how we, as a species, have domesticated ourselves out of our natural and profound connection to the very ground of our being. See also philosopher and neuroscientist Iain McGilchrist's The Master and his Emmisary.

__MatrixMan__ 2y ago

I'm reminded of a sign I once saw at a protest: > We are nature defending itself It might interest you for use as a search query, there seems to be more to it than just a sign.

andrei_says_ 2y ago

Aurora Morales, in one of the essays in Medicine Stories, mentions how we need to stop referring to our biosphere as “environment”. It is not something “out there” that surrounds us. It is the air we take in with every breath etc. we are one with it. Poisoning or destroying it is the very act of poisoning and destroying ourselves. She points out that perceiving the biosphere, the land, other living beings, and humans as resources - and especially resources tied to an economic system of infinite growth, causes us to destroy it all for the creation of illusory value. We are dealing with normalized mental illness on planetary scale which causes humanity to actively destroy our biosphere.

johan_felisaz 2y ago

The anthropologist Philippe Descola with his main work Beyond Nature and Culture has been trying to classify the nature/culture relations by studying comparatively several societies.