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The other way to look at it though is that revolution won't solve your problems, and Americans are far too confident that it will.

by XorNot 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> other way to look at it though is that revolution won't solve your problems, and Americans are far too confident that it will Americans are largely not for a revolution because most of us aren’t idiots. There is idle chatter of a civil war, but that’s again (a) bluster (not that this can’t take on a life of its own) and (b) about consolidating control versus wholesale rebuilding the American class structure.
- tyleo 2y ago
  FWIW there is a difference between revolution and civil war. I see a decent number of people advocate for the first but basically no one advocate for the second. In either case the numbers aren’t a majority.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > see a decent number of people advocate for the first but basically no one advocate for the second Anyone advocating for the first (as a popular revolt) thinking it wouldn’t result in the second isn’t thinking realistically.
    - motorest 2y ago
      > Anyone advocating for the first (as a popular revolt) thinking it wouldn’t result in the second isn’t thinking realistically. There are plenty of examples in modern Europe where revolutions and regime changes didn't involve a civil war.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > plenty of examples in modern Europe where revolutions and regime changes didn't involve a civil war Where internal power structures were preserved (or where the society was restructured under occupation), yes.
        motorest 2y ago
        > Where internal power structures were preserved (or where the society was restructured under occupation), yes. No. See for example Spain's or Portugal's transition from autocracy to democracy. The latter involved a military coup and exile of it's former dictator.
  - lupire 2y ago
    MAGA leadership advocates for the second.
tyleo 2y ago
I’m no advocate for revolution but the American problem is that our revolution actually worked. Americans freed themselves from a prior group of elites unlike the grandparent comment is claiming of the French elites.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Americans freed themselves from a prior group of elites unlike the grandparent comment is claiming of the French elites The American Revolution was one of American elites overthrowing their overseers. It worked and was not super disruptive because power (and class) structures were preserved. From the states through to the system of law and the people in power. (We also didn’t do any mass or political executions.)

The other way to look at it though is that revolution won't solve your problems, and Americans are far too confident that it will.

by XorNot 2y ago

The other way to look at it though is that revolution won't solve your problems, and Americans are far too confident that it will.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> other way to look at it though is that revolution won't solve your problems, and Americans are far too confident that it will Americans are largely not for a revolution because most of us aren’t idiots. There is idle chatter of a civil war, but that’s again (a) bluster (not that this can’t take on a life of its own) and (b) about consolidating control versus wholesale rebuilding the American class structure.

tyleo 2y ago
FWIW there is a difference between revolution and civil war. I see a decent number of people advocate for the first but basically no one advocate for the second. In either case the numbers aren’t a majority.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > see a decent number of people advocate for the first but basically no one advocate for the second Anyone advocating for the first (as a popular revolt) thinking it wouldn’t result in the second isn’t thinking realistically.
  - motorest 2y ago
    > Anyone advocating for the first (as a popular revolt) thinking it wouldn’t result in the second isn’t thinking realistically. There are plenty of examples in modern Europe where revolutions and regime changes didn't involve a civil war.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > plenty of examples in modern Europe where revolutions and regime changes didn't involve a civil war Where internal power structures were preserved (or where the society was restructured under occupation), yes.
      - motorest 2y ago
        > Where internal power structures were preserved (or where the society was restructured under occupation), yes. No. See for example Spain's or Portugal's transition from autocracy to democracy. The latter involved a military coup and exile of it's former dictator.
- lupire 2y ago
  MAGA leadership advocates for the second.

tyleo 2y ago

I’m no advocate for revolution but the American problem is that our revolution actually worked. Americans freed themselves from a prior group of elites unlike the grandparent comment is claiming of the French elites.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Americans freed themselves from a prior group of elites unlike the grandparent comment is claiming of the French elites The American Revolution was one of American elites overthrowing their overseers. It worked and was not super disruptive because power (and class) structures were preserved. From the states through to the system of law and the people in power. (We also didn’t do any mass or political executions.)