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Not the other poster, but chiming in here that: > If you're implying that the scraping and storing of the things itself breaks copyright, then maybe, but I don
by Terr_ 2y ago
Not the other poster, but chiming in here that:
> If you're implying that the scraping and storing of the things itself breaks copyright, then maybe, but I don't think so?
Suppose I "scrape and store" every book I ever borrow or temporarily-owned, using the copies to fill several shelves in my own personal library-room.
Yes, that's still copyright infringement, even if I'm the only one reading them.
> But just having copyrighted material on a server somewhere, if obtained legally, is not by itself illegal.
I see two points of confusion here:
1. The difference between having copies and making copies.
2. The difference between "infringing" versus "actually illegal."
Copyright is about the right to make copies. Simply having an unauthorized copy is no big deal, it's making unauthorized copies where you can get in trouble.
Also, it is generally held that the "copies" of bytes in the network etc. do not count, but if you start doing "Save As" on everything to create your own archives of the news site, then that's another story.
- edanm 2y ago> Suppose I "scrape and store" every book I ever borrow or temporarily-owned, using the copies to fill several shelves in my own personal library-room. Yes, but you don't know that they did that. They could've just bought legal access to copyrighted material in many cases. E.g. if I pay for an NYT subscription that gives me the entire back catalogue of the NYT, then I'm legally allowed to own it. Whether I'm allowed to train models on it is, of course, a new and separate (and fascinating) legal question.
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- Terr_ 2y ago> Yes, but you don't know that they did that. They could've just bought [a license to reproduce the] material in many cases. We do know they didn't, because many entities they could have bought a license from started suing them for not getting one! > If I pay for an NYT subscription that gives me the entire back catalogue of the NYT, then I'm legally allowed to own it. Almost every single service of that type is merely giving you permission to access their copy for the duration of your subscription. They are never giving you a license to duplicate the whole catalog into a perpetual personal copy.