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... "faulty logic"... the Maintainer runs a business and makes a lot of money and he should give that up, but is invited to keep working as before for nothing.

... "faulty logic"... the Maintainer runs a business and makes a lot of money and he should give that up, but is invited to keep working as before for nothing. It is left to others to make the money on his work, but he should keep striving away for other's benefit like a slave. It's quite crazy to say if the last 15 years of work was not done by the paid devs and the maintainer, WP would be in a "better place". It just goes to show how partisan this topic is, trying to argue this seems rational to you at the moment.

hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
Wut?? None of your comments make any sense: "the Maintainer runs a business and makes a lot of money and he should give that up" - literally nobody is saying that. They author obviously knows he would stay as CEO of Automattic, so he is arguing to give up leadership of the foundation.
- outsomnia 2y ago
  > literally nobody is saying that From the article: "it’s time for Matt to resign from either the WordPress Foundation or Automattic." Can I gently suggest to you that posting under a throwaway leads you to post - and downvote - in a way you wouldn't normally, that is not helpful for the discussion?
ookblah 2y ago
i don't think you read the article or understand the current context. he has two entities, a private business (Automattic) which is separate from the WP.org side which he has said since the beginning as being "community run", but is now apparently his personal property and we were all just playing his garden. you keep talking as if WP in its current form is only because of paid devs and the maintainer. thousands of other contributors made it what it is today, all with the assumption that it was governed a certain way. all OSS has this inherent issue. the for-profit gatekeeps what goes into core or can steer/block things to keep things advantageous only to them. it's why the questions around governance are even being asked. if you can't understand why this conflict could be a problem then i'm not sure what to say.

hn_throwaway_99 2y ago

Wut?? None of your comments make any sense: "the Maintainer runs a business and makes a lot of money and he should give that up" - literally nobody is saying that. They author obviously knows he would stay as CEO of Automattic, so he is arguing to give up leadership of the foundation.

outsomnia 2y ago
> literally nobody is saying that From the article: "it’s time for Matt to resign from either the WordPress Foundation or Automattic." Can I gently suggest to you that posting under a throwaway leads you to post - and downvote - in a way you wouldn't normally, that is not helpful for the discussion?

ookblah 2y ago

i don't think you read the article or understand the current context. he has two entities, a private business (Automattic) which is separate from the WP.org side which he has said since the beginning as being "community run", but is now apparently his personal property and we were all just playing his garden. you keep talking as if WP in its current form is only because of paid devs and the maintainer. thousands of other contributors made it what it is today, all with the assumption that it was governed a certain way. all OSS has this inherent issue. the for-profit gatekeeps what goes into core or can steer/block things to keep things advantageous only to them. it's why the questions around governance are even being asked. if you can't understand why this conflict could be a problem then i'm not sure what to say.