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From Mullenweg (https://wordpress.org/news/2025/01/jkpress/ https://wordpress.org/news/2025/01/jkpress/): > To make this easy and hopefully give this project t

by diggan 2y ago

From Mullenweg (https://wordpress.org/news/2025/01/jkpress/ https://wordpress.org/news/2025/01/jkpress/): > To make this easy and hopefully give this project the push it needs to get off the ground, I’m deactivating the .org accounts of Joost, Karim, Se Reed, Heather Burns, and Morten Rand-Hendriksen. I strongly encourage anyone who wants to try different leadership models or align with WP Engine to join up with their new effort. He seems to be justifying the deactivation by claiming it will 'help them', somehow?

j45 2y ago
It feels like a backhanded compliment and encouragement. If there wasn’t a threat perceived you could with them well and ask them to let you know them how they might need help.
sd9 2y ago
This post is wild. Mullenweg comes across as completely unstable, insecure, and appears to feel very threatened. He takes every opportunity he can to give a thinly veiled insult. Wordpress is a giant. If he’s as confident as he tries to present in this post, he could just do nothing and Wordpress would prove the more valuable software in the end. Instead, he’s accelerating progress on the fork. He could have done with taking a few deep breaths before publishing this post.
- bdndndndbve 2y ago
  Have you followed this at all? The man has been in HN threads arguing about posts about himself for months. He's on some kind of scorched earth ego trip. His profile: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=photomatt https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=photomatt
  - mingus88 2y ago
    It feels like this decade or so is defined by people who just don't know when to fade out and retire with their legacies intact. Whether it be this guy, elderly politicians, or billionaires with social media addictions, everyone's lives would be far better, including their own, if they simply knew when to stfu and enjoy their success in peace.
    - bdndndndbve 2y ago
      Unlike famously chill billionaires of the past like William Randolph Hearst or Howard Hughes
    - baobun 2y ago
      Unfortunately it seems like it might be the dawn of the era of demagogues aka mob rule :/
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    I see he’s back to posting again. Do we think he fired his lawyers or that they quit?
  - indigodaddy 2y ago
    Interesting his karma is currently 20XX. If I had to guess, it was probably significantly higher before this whole thing blew up?
    - throwup238 2y ago
      IIRC karma losses from downvoting are capped at 3 or 4 per comment.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      I don't recall when this adventure started, but going through the Wayback Machine his karma was 1.7k around December 2023[1] and then climbed to 1.8k around September 2024[2] and then just a hair under 2.1k around October 2024[3]. So if anything, it seems his karma increased since the saga began. [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20231220230743/https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=photomatt https://web.archive.org/web/20231220230743/https://news.ycom... [2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20240930175846/https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=photomatt https://web.archive.org/web/20240930175846/https://news.ycom... [3]: https://web.archive.org/web/20241013035048/https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=photomatt https://web.archive.org/web/20241013035048/https://news.ycom...
  - 2Gkashmiri 2y ago
    I even asked Matt to sue me just for lulz and my 2 minutes of fame. Hehe
    - throw16180339 2y ago
      He threatened to sue the person behind bullenweg.com (https://mastodon.social/@mvsde/113373682248521134 https://mastodon.social/@mvsde/113373682248521134), so if you're really interested you could revive it. The repo is at https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io and there's another mirror available at bullenweg.org.
  - wodenokoto 2y ago
    I think down voting photomatt is immature and unconstructive. Whether you agree or disagree with his opinion, I think his views are quite central to a discussion on what is going on. Down votes hides posts. I don't understand why so many HN'er wants Matt's comments removed from HN threads about WP.
    - eGQjxkKF6fif 2y ago
      I think you misunderstand entirely. HN wants Matt removed from the internet, and for good reason.
    - SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
      As someone who hasn’t been following this at all. It seems like I’m watching a digital mob go after a heretic which is interesting.
rafram 2y ago
> Joost is a self-proclaimed leader in the SEO space, an industry known for making the web better. Oh, the level of snark here is unreal.
softwaredoug 2y ago
This sort of black and white thinking of you’re either 100% in agreement with me or you’re 100% agreeing my enemies, with no room for nuance, is the stuff of the mentally unwell.
bigiain 2y ago
Heather Burns responds: https://xcancel.com/WebDevLaw/status/1877979616045891649 https://xcancel.com/WebDevLaw/status/1877979616045891649 "At this point you either need to check into rehab, or frankly do the world a favour and overdose."
- jjulius 2y ago
  Hah, her comment after that is equally fantastic.
ablation 2y ago
The fact that any of the Wordpress community is standing by him at this point makes it feel more like Stockholm syndrome or a cargo cult than a healthy open source project.

by diggan 2y ago

j45 2y ago

It feels like a backhanded compliment and encouragement. If there wasn’t a threat perceived you could with them well and ask them to let you know them how they might need help.

sd9 2y ago

This post is wild. Mullenweg comes across as completely unstable, insecure, and appears to feel very threatened. He takes every opportunity he can to give a thinly veiled insult. Wordpress is a giant. If he’s as confident as he tries to present in this post, he could just do nothing and Wordpress would prove the more valuable software in the end. Instead, he’s accelerating progress on the fork. He could have done with taking a few deep breaths before publishing this post.

bdndndndbve 2y ago
Have you followed this at all? The man has been in HN threads arguing about posts about himself for months. He's on some kind of scorched earth ego trip. His profile: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=photomatt https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=photomatt
- mingus88 2y ago
  It feels like this decade or so is defined by people who just don't know when to fade out and retire with their legacies intact. Whether it be this guy, elderly politicians, or billionaires with social media addictions, everyone's lives would be far better, including their own, if they simply knew when to stfu and enjoy their success in peace.
  - bdndndndbve 2y ago
    Unlike famously chill billionaires of the past like William Randolph Hearst or Howard Hughes
  - baobun 2y ago
    Unfortunately it seems like it might be the dawn of the era of demagogues aka mob rule :/
- saagarjha 2y ago
  I see he’s back to posting again. Do we think he fired his lawyers or that they quit?
- indigodaddy 2y ago
  Interesting his karma is currently 20XX. If I had to guess, it was probably significantly higher before this whole thing blew up?
  - throwup238 2y ago
    IIRC karma losses from downvoting are capped at 3 or 4 per comment.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    I don't recall when this adventure started, but going through the Wayback Machine his karma was 1.7k around December 2023[1] and then climbed to 1.8k around September 2024[2] and then just a hair under 2.1k around October 2024[3]. So if anything, it seems his karma increased since the saga began. [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20231220230743/https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=photomatt https://web.archive.org/web/20231220230743/https://news.ycom... [2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20240930175846/https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=photomatt https://web.archive.org/web/20240930175846/https://news.ycom... [3]: https://web.archive.org/web/20241013035048/https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=photomatt https://web.archive.org/web/20241013035048/https://news.ycom...
- 2Gkashmiri 2y ago
  I even asked Matt to sue me just for lulz and my 2 minutes of fame. Hehe
  - throw16180339 2y ago
    He threatened to sue the person behind bullenweg.com (https://mastodon.social/@mvsde/113373682248521134 https://mastodon.social/@mvsde/113373682248521134), so if you're really interested you could revive it. The repo is at https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io and there's another mirror available at bullenweg.org.
- wodenokoto 2y ago
  I think down voting photomatt is immature and unconstructive. Whether you agree or disagree with his opinion, I think his views are quite central to a discussion on what is going on. Down votes hides posts. I don't understand why so many HN'er wants Matt's comments removed from HN threads about WP.
  - eGQjxkKF6fif 2y ago
    I think you misunderstand entirely. HN wants Matt removed from the internet, and for good reason.
  - SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
    As someone who hasn’t been following this at all. It seems like I’m watching a digital mob go after a heretic which is interesting.

rafram 2y ago

> Joost is a self-proclaimed leader in the SEO space, an industry known for making the web better. Oh, the level of snark here is unreal.

softwaredoug 2y ago

This sort of black and white thinking of you’re either 100% in agreement with me or you’re 100% agreeing my enemies, with no room for nuance, is the stuff of the mentally unwell.

bigiain 2y ago

Heather Burns responds: https://xcancel.com/WebDevLaw/status/1877979616045891649 https://xcancel.com/WebDevLaw/status/1877979616045891649 "At this point you either need to check into rehab, or frankly do the world a favour and overdose."

jjulius 2y ago
Hah, her comment after that is equally fantastic.

ablation 2y ago

The fact that any of the Wordpress community is standing by him at this point makes it feel more like Stockholm syndrome or a cargo cult than a healthy open source project.