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It's nothing impressive. It's secrecy and corruption; it's the modern trend of power grabs and exclusivity (withholding information) over efficiency, productivi

by mmooss 2y ago

It's nothing impressive. It's secrecy and corruption; it's the modern trend of power grabs and exclusivity (withholding information) over efficiency, productivity, intelligence, and all the benefits of an open, free society. It just has a fancy British name to give it legitimacy. You want liquidity and lots of exposure in any marketplace, including the one of ideas. Ideas without sunshine tend to rot and fester. That might be why there are so many obviously stupid ones these days.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Ideas without sunshine tend to rot and fester. That might be why there are so many obviously stupid ones these days. This was the thesis behind e.g. Twitter. I’m not sure it’s panned out. Ideas need sunshine, but a seedling also does better in a nursery.
- mmooss 2y ago
  Interesting point. While I agree that the outcome has been bad or really catastrophic, I'm not sure it's the same cause. Certainly ideas from positions of power need openeness and sunshine, speaking very generally. The problem on social media is the flood of crap that buries everything else, and nobody can keep up - the sunshine effect is overwhelmed.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > ideas from positions of power need openeness and sunshine, speaking very generally Very generally. Transparency also incentivises grandstanding; you're always speaking to the audience, never to your counterpart.
    - mmooss 2y ago
      Are you saying it's better for powerful people to make plans and develop ideas in secret? What about government? At least to some significant degree, the grandstanding has nothing to do with the actual ideas and plans; it's part of the coverup; it's a distraction while the real plans are made. Grandstanders like Trump and Musk often say things they have no intention of following through on. To the grandstanders, who are really propagandists, words are weapons and not information. And of course, everyone's words are some of each, but the grandstanders are far over toward one endpoint or axis on that graph.

by mmooss 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Ideas without sunshine tend to rot and fester. That might be why there are so many obviously stupid ones these days. This was the thesis behind e.g. Twitter. I’m not sure it’s panned out. Ideas need sunshine, but a seedling also does better in a nursery.

mmooss 2y ago
Interesting point. While I agree that the outcome has been bad or really catastrophic, I'm not sure it's the same cause. Certainly ideas from positions of power need openeness and sunshine, speaking very generally. The problem on social media is the flood of crap that buries everything else, and nobody can keep up - the sunshine effect is overwhelmed.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > ideas from positions of power need openeness and sunshine, speaking very generally Very generally. Transparency also incentivises grandstanding; you're always speaking to the audience, never to your counterpart.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    Are you saying it's better for powerful people to make plans and develop ideas in secret? What about government? At least to some significant degree, the grandstanding has nothing to do with the actual ideas and plans; it's part of the coverup; it's a distraction while the real plans are made. Grandstanders like Trump and Musk often say things they have no intention of following through on. To the grandstanders, who are really propagandists, words are weapons and not information. And of course, everyone's words are some of each, but the grandstanders are far over toward one endpoint or axis on that graph.