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> You're the only one who presumed this I didn’t say you can’t be helpful, but if not being asked that is the definition of presumption . > Why is this an in

> You're the only one who presumed this I didn’t say you can’t be helpful, but if not being asked that is the definition of presumption . > Why is this an inappropriate topic to discuss? It would be same as my neighbor discussing how to fix my problems with my wife or Mexicans having leadership conferences on how to prevent the raise of Trump . Same as how it feels for citizens when Elon Musk is doing now in UK, Germany or France Domestic intervention or influence by foreign actors no matter if well intentioned or not is inappropriate

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> if not being asked that is the definition of presumption If I want to have a discussion about South Africa, that's between me and whomever I'm speaking to. South Africa doesn't have a global veto on conversations about itself. > would be same as my neighbor discussing how to fix my problems with my wife If they're having a conversation in their house about your relationship, I don't see the issue. It's rude. But it may also be interesting or even instructive to their own situations.
- manquer 2y ago
  > If they're having a conversation in their house about your relationship It is not private though, we are not talking about diplomats doing it in confidential communications, nobody is objecting to that . What we are describing is equivalent to having a public conversation in the street in front of your home where you can see them having it
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > What we are describing is equivalent to having a public conversation in the street in front of your home where you can see them having it Still rude, but nothing more.
    - manquer 2y ago
      > Rude, inappropriate, presumptuous, offensive . All degrees of the same thing ? And the degree in the eyes of the subject
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        Your argument circles back to why the Chatham House Rule is gaining popularity. It enforces the figurative walls of your neighbour's house. > degree in the eyes of the subject Yes. The people actually having the conversation.
        manquer 2y ago
        Subject of the conversation not its participants. In a public conversation preferences of the subject i.e. who being talked about when discussing about them publicly matters more than the participants i.e who is doing the talking Period , done . if you disagree then you and I fundamentally different views on what is a civilized society and I hope my neighbors have my world view than yours.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> if not being asked that is the definition of presumption If I want to have a discussion about South Africa, that's between me and whomever I'm speaking to. South Africa doesn't have a global veto on conversations about itself. > would be same as my neighbor discussing how to fix my problems with my wife If they're having a conversation in their house about your relationship, I don't see the issue. It's rude. But it may also be interesting or even instructive to their own situations.

manquer 2y ago
> If they're having a conversation in their house about your relationship It is not private though, we are not talking about diplomats doing it in confidential communications, nobody is objecting to that . What we are describing is equivalent to having a public conversation in the street in front of your home where you can see them having it
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > What we are describing is equivalent to having a public conversation in the street in front of your home where you can see them having it Still rude, but nothing more.
  - manquer 2y ago
    > Rude, inappropriate, presumptuous, offensive . All degrees of the same thing ? And the degree in the eyes of the subject
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      Your argument circles back to why the Chatham House Rule is gaining popularity. It enforces the figurative walls of your neighbour's house. > degree in the eyes of the subject Yes. The people actually having the conversation.
      - manquer 2y ago
        Subject of the conversation not its participants. In a public conversation preferences of the subject i.e. who being talked about when discussing about them publicly matters more than the participants i.e who is doing the talking Period , done . if you disagree then you and I fundamentally different views on what is a civilized society and I hope my neighbors have my world view than yours.