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Can you give some examples? I'm out of the loop. Personally, I am trying to think of something I could say five years ago that I can't say now.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Can you give some examples? I was at a party recently where someone argued hard-shell tacos are racist. More seriously, one could probably express a broader range of views--correct or not--on Israel and Palestine five years ago than one might be comfortable expressing (or even asking about) now.
- laidoffamazon 2y ago
  > I was at a party recently where someone argued hard-shell tacos are racist. As a taco enjoyer I don't think this is a serious argument and it's weird that you're taking it seriously > on Israel and Palestine five years ago than one might be comfortable expressing As someone that has been yelled at by all sides of this debate I really don't think that's true, I was getting yelled at 5 years ago too
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > I don't think this is a serious argument and it's weird that you're taking it seriously They were yelling and called the host a xenophobe. They will not be invited back. It’s not a serious argument. But they took it seriously. > someone that has been yelled at by all sides of this debate I really don't think that's true, I was getting yelled at 5 years ago too You can always get yelled at. The point is almost any expression about this topic is likely, today, to set someone in a large group off. That wasn’t true five years ago.
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itbeho 2y ago
Vaccine Safety
- laidoffamazon 2y ago
  This was laughed out of the room 5 years ago too, the only difference is now the HHS secretary designate is also an anti-vaxxer in addition to the incoming president rather than just the President.
- tasty_freeze 2y ago
  There are people everywhere publicly saying vaccines are great and other saying they are terrible. Andrew Wakefield, then Jenny McCarthy, really kicked things into high gear with their claims, and that was 20+ years ago. Then, as now, reasonable people recognize that while no vaccine is perfect (hell, even a natural exposure to many diseases doesn't always confer immunity) on the net they are improving health way more than it is causing loss of health. Then, as now, people who claim unsupported things (MMR causes autism) are going to get push-back. The only thing that has changed, that I can see, is that the denialism is stronger now than it was five years ago.
josephcsible 2y ago
In 2020, it was acceptable to say that the FDA was rushing through the COVID vaccine's authorization process and not doing a good job of making sure it was safe.
- saagarjha 2y ago
  Ok, but it’s been five years now. How long are you going to wait before you think it’s safe?

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Can you give some examples? I was at a party recently where someone argued hard-shell tacos are racist. More seriously, one could probably express a broader range of views--correct or not--on Israel and Palestine five years ago than one might be comfortable expressing (or even asking about) now.

laidoffamazon 2y ago
> I was at a party recently where someone argued hard-shell tacos are racist. As a taco enjoyer I don't think this is a serious argument and it's weird that you're taking it seriously > on Israel and Palestine five years ago than one might be comfortable expressing As someone that has been yelled at by all sides of this debate I really don't think that's true, I was getting yelled at 5 years ago too
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > I don't think this is a serious argument and it's weird that you're taking it seriously They were yelling and called the host a xenophobe. They will not be invited back. It’s not a serious argument. But they took it seriously. > someone that has been yelled at by all sides of this debate I really don't think that's true, I was getting yelled at 5 years ago too You can always get yelled at. The point is almost any expression about this topic is likely, today, to set someone in a large group off. That wasn’t true five years ago.
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itbeho 2y ago

Vaccine Safety

laidoffamazon 2y ago
This was laughed out of the room 5 years ago too, the only difference is now the HHS secretary designate is also an anti-vaxxer in addition to the incoming president rather than just the President.
tasty_freeze 2y ago
There are people everywhere publicly saying vaccines are great and other saying they are terrible. Andrew Wakefield, then Jenny McCarthy, really kicked things into high gear with their claims, and that was 20+ years ago. Then, as now, reasonable people recognize that while no vaccine is perfect (hell, even a natural exposure to many diseases doesn't always confer immunity) on the net they are improving health way more than it is causing loss of health. Then, as now, people who claim unsupported things (MMR causes autism) are going to get push-back. The only thing that has changed, that I can see, is that the denialism is stronger now than it was five years ago.

josephcsible 2y ago

In 2020, it was acceptable to say that the FDA was rushing through the COVID vaccine's authorization process and not doing a good job of making sure it was safe.

saagarjha 2y ago
Ok, but it’s been five years now. How long are you going to wait before you think it’s safe?