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That does not sound like a partnership at all. It sounds like an intent to work with the community.

gpm 2y ago
Is "committed to working with" not a subset of the class of "partners" in your vernacular? What do you think is required to be "partners"? And it names the specific members of the community, Joost, Karim, who subsequently had their accounts deactivated, not just the community at large.
- jcranmer 2y ago
  > What do you think is required to be "partners"? We're not working on vernacular definition here, we're working on legal definition. And while I'm not sure of the particular definition that's going to be in play, I strongly suspect that the actual definition is going to require some sort of "meeting of the minds" and (not necessarily written) partnership agreement to qualify as a "partner" for the purpose of the injunction. "We are committed to working with [...] We stand ready" isn't strong enough to actually constitute a partnership, I'm pretty sure--it is at best an expression of intent to make one.
  - gpm 2y ago
    > We're not working on vernacular definition here, we're working on legal definition Indeed we are not, but absent various exceptions the legal definition of a term is its ordinary meaning. I don't know if there's a history here of courts interpreting (or legislatures defining, or so on) "partner" in a particular technical way that would cause a deviation from that default, I'm certainly not going to try and prove that negative, but as a starting point for an informal discussion on the internet it's a reasonable guess that there is not.
    - b112 2y ago
      I don't know, that legal concept likely goes back to the Phoenicians, eg the start of codified law.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > the actual definition is going to require some sort of "meeting of the minds" and (not necessarily written) partnership agreement to qualify as a "partner" for the purpose of the injunction It almost certainly refers to WP Engine's partnership program [1]. The catch-all is WP Engine users. It would seem prudent for anyone doing business with Wordpress to become a WP Engine user so they can benefit from the injunction. (Not legal advice.) [1] https://wpengine.com/partners/ https://wpengine.com/partners/
- that_guy_iain 2y ago
  In my vernacular, a partnership is actually working together. Talk is cheap, lots of people say they're committed to stuff but aren't really.

gpm 2y ago

Is "committed to working with" not a subset of the class of "partners" in your vernacular? What do you think is required to be "partners"? And it names the specific members of the community, Joost, Karim, who subsequently had their accounts deactivated, not just the community at large.

jcranmer 2y ago
> What do you think is required to be "partners"? We're not working on vernacular definition here, we're working on legal definition. And while I'm not sure of the particular definition that's going to be in play, I strongly suspect that the actual definition is going to require some sort of "meeting of the minds" and (not necessarily written) partnership agreement to qualify as a "partner" for the purpose of the injunction. "We are committed to working with [...] We stand ready" isn't strong enough to actually constitute a partnership, I'm pretty sure--it is at best an expression of intent to make one.
- gpm 2y ago
  > We're not working on vernacular definition here, we're working on legal definition Indeed we are not, but absent various exceptions the legal definition of a term is its ordinary meaning. I don't know if there's a history here of courts interpreting (or legislatures defining, or so on) "partner" in a particular technical way that would cause a deviation from that default, I'm certainly not going to try and prove that negative, but as a starting point for an informal discussion on the internet it's a reasonable guess that there is not.
  - b112 2y ago
    I don't know, that legal concept likely goes back to the Phoenicians, eg the start of codified law.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > the actual definition is going to require some sort of "meeting of the minds" and (not necessarily written) partnership agreement to qualify as a "partner" for the purpose of the injunction It almost certainly refers to WP Engine's partnership program [1]. The catch-all is WP Engine users. It would seem prudent for anyone doing business with Wordpress to become a WP Engine user so they can benefit from the injunction. (Not legal advice.) [1] https://wpengine.com/partners/ https://wpengine.com/partners/
that_guy_iain 2y ago
In my vernacular, a partnership is actually working together. Talk is cheap, lots of people say they're committed to stuff but aren't really.