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You live in such a twisted "diverse" world-view that has pitted even men and women, young and old against each other. What a rotten culture. Don't No-True-Scot

You live in such a twisted "diverse" world-view that has pitted even men and women, young and old against each other. What a rotten culture. Don't No-True-Scotsman and pontificate me what a homogenous and non-homegenous country is, I very well now what the difference is. I've lived it, I've seen it, I've experienced it. It's a symptom of a sick, atomized diverse society if it can be so easily fractured by using <0.1% fringe cases as tool.

ceejayoz 2y ago
Why do you believe skin color is the only possible thing “diverse” covers?
- Johanx64 2y ago
  What benefits does your linguistic framework and redefinitions of commonly used terms offer? I'm not seeing it. Looks like you're desperately looking for some seams from which to break fabric of cohesive society appart. Homogenous societies do not need nor should they offer special affordances to either atheists or religious people. Only diverse societies that have imported bunch of incompatible religions that beef with each other and prevailing culture (often violently!) that need "special" accomodations and guard rails to prevent escalations of conflict.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    I’m not the one redefining terms. Diversity covers far more variation than skin color alone. DEI efforts have long included things like “women in tech” or “LGBT friendly”. Your country may be homogenous in color, but in everything? Closest you probably get to that is the Vatican, and even there there’s various kinds of diversity.
    - Johanx64 2y ago
      Preferential treatment based on immutable characteristics. It's called discrimination. Great idea! What you're engaging in is transparent and glaringly obvious. It's subversive and downright malicious. Even in a cohesive and homogenous society, you are desperately looking for any and all means to split, fracture and divvy up the population in warring "diversity" groups that are constantly at odds with each other. There has to be something you can use right? Young children, the elderly, women, atheists or religious folk aren't a diversity group. They are just people. I know exactly what you're doing, and it doesn't work in cohesive functional societies. They reject it.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        > Preferential treatment based on immutable characteristics. No. Not preferential. > It's called discrimination. Using the US as an example again, we only got our first female Supreme Court justice until the 1980s. Two hundred years of men. Never a female President. This is pretty concrete evidence for discrimination against them in American society. Somehow, trying to recognize that gets twisted backwards into the act itself. A cohesive, functional society seeing significant gendered threats and violence: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2621gzvkdo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2621gzvkdo Why are black people “diverse” but women or Jews or blind people are not? You keep dodging the question. Help me understand - what’s “diverse” and what’s “normal homogenous”? How do you determine which is which?
        Johanx64 2y ago
        It's very simple, I've lived in cities that have "black neighborhoods", pakistani neighborhoods, muslim neighborhoods, asian neighborhoods, indian neighborhoods and gay neighborhoods, and many more hoods in just one city. That's diversity for you. People don't live together, they live appart, that's a fractured, atomized society. Homogenous countries don't have this, people just comfortably live together. There's no blind neighborhood, amputee neighborhood or woman neighborhood... that's ridiculous. And people don't constantly think which "hood" they represent or need special discriminatory "programmes" to forcefully include "everyone" from every "hood" who demonstrably don't want to live together and want to form their own hoods instead. Way less woman on average being interested in programming isn't a sign of discrimination. That's completely normal. Re: link. Not interested discusing anecdotes of all sorts of warring internet weirdos. Is not an argument.
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        > Not interested discusing anecdotes of all sorts of warring internet weirdos. Is not an argument. This is deeply funny considering all you’ve offered is anecdotes and “nuh-uh”.
        2y ago

ceejayoz 2y ago

Why do you believe skin color is the only possible thing “diverse” covers?

Johanx64 2y ago
What benefits does your linguistic framework and redefinitions of commonly used terms offer? I'm not seeing it. Looks like you're desperately looking for some seams from which to break fabric of cohesive society appart. Homogenous societies do not need nor should they offer special affordances to either atheists or religious people. Only diverse societies that have imported bunch of incompatible religions that beef with each other and prevailing culture (often violently!) that need "special" accomodations and guard rails to prevent escalations of conflict.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  I’m not the one redefining terms. Diversity covers far more variation than skin color alone. DEI efforts have long included things like “women in tech” or “LGBT friendly”. Your country may be homogenous in color, but in everything? Closest you probably get to that is the Vatican, and even there there’s various kinds of diversity.
  - Johanx64 2y ago
    Preferential treatment based on immutable characteristics. It's called discrimination. Great idea! What you're engaging in is transparent and glaringly obvious. It's subversive and downright malicious. Even in a cohesive and homogenous society, you are desperately looking for any and all means to split, fracture and divvy up the population in warring "diversity" groups that are constantly at odds with each other. There has to be something you can use right? Young children, the elderly, women, atheists or religious folk aren't a diversity group. They are just people. I know exactly what you're doing, and it doesn't work in cohesive functional societies. They reject it.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      > Preferential treatment based on immutable characteristics. No. Not preferential. > It's called discrimination. Using the US as an example again, we only got our first female Supreme Court justice until the 1980s. Two hundred years of men. Never a female President. This is pretty concrete evidence for discrimination against them in American society. Somehow, trying to recognize that gets twisted backwards into the act itself. A cohesive, functional society seeing significant gendered threats and violence: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2621gzvkdo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2621gzvkdo Why are black people “diverse” but women or Jews or blind people are not? You keep dodging the question. Help me understand - what’s “diverse” and what’s “normal homogenous”? How do you determine which is which?
      - Johanx64 2y ago
        It's very simple, I've lived in cities that have "black neighborhoods", pakistani neighborhoods, muslim neighborhoods, asian neighborhoods, indian neighborhoods and gay neighborhoods, and many more hoods in just one city. That's diversity for you. People don't live together, they live appart, that's a fractured, atomized society. Homogenous countries don't have this, people just comfortably live together. There's no blind neighborhood, amputee neighborhood or woman neighborhood... that's ridiculous. And people don't constantly think which "hood" they represent or need special discriminatory "programmes" to forcefully include "everyone" from every "hood" who demonstrably don't want to live together and want to form their own hoods instead. Way less woman on average being interested in programming isn't a sign of discrimination. That's completely normal. Re: link. Not interested discusing anecdotes of all sorts of warring internet weirdos. Is not an argument.
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        > Not interested discusing anecdotes of all sorts of warring internet weirdos. Is not an argument. This is deeply funny considering all you’ve offered is anecdotes and “nuh-uh”.
        2y ago