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>historically just put up with it because of social pressure to get on the life path to raising a family and lack of access to casual sex. For women it was als

>historically just put up with it because of social pressure to get on the life path to raising a family and lack of access to casual sex. For women it was also a fundamental question of literally living. Back when women were expected to be full-time housewives, women had to marry to quite literally not starve to death on the streets. The advancement of gender equality to bring men and women, all mankind, to the same level of freedom and authority has undoubtedly played a significant role in the decline of romance and marriage.

mike_hearn 2y ago
That's a pretty odd take on history. You know women have always worked, right? Female life pre-20th century wasn't permanent housewifeing. They often worked from home in cottage industries, ran shops, took part in family owned businesses (often running the financial side) and many other jobs. The reason there was pressure to raise a family - for both women and men - had nothing to do with gender equality. It was because there was no welfare state so people relied on their families and extended families to take care of them in old age and sickness.
- portaouflop 2y ago
  The pressure to produce more humans was mostly to fuel the armies that need constant supply of young people to throw into the meat grinder; at least in the past centuries in Europe
  - MattPalmer1086 2y ago
    You really think people chose to have children and raised them to satisfy military requirements? While it may be sadly true that many young people died like that, that isn't why men and women have children.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      If you were of high class like the nobility or mercantile, you had children to continue your powerful bloodline. You also married to sign off on alliances and cooperatives. Entire wars have been waged over familial ties and successors. If you were of low class like the peasantry, you had children to have enough hands to till the fields. If you were of middle class somewhere in-between, you had children for both of the above each to lesser degrees. In the modern era there's simply less and less practical reasons to have children, not to mention the costs of childcare and rearing. On the bright side, at least we have less instances of war being waged because Lord Dickus Bigus wants to pork out on a lady and screw everyone else.
    - portaouflop 2y ago
      Not “the people” but those in power in society created the cultural framework that incentivised people to get a lot of kids

mike_hearn 2y ago

That's a pretty odd take on history. You know women have always worked, right? Female life pre-20th century wasn't permanent housewifeing. They often worked from home in cottage industries, ran shops, took part in family owned businesses (often running the financial side) and many other jobs. The reason there was pressure to raise a family - for both women and men - had nothing to do with gender equality. It was because there was no welfare state so people relied on their families and extended families to take care of them in old age and sickness.

portaouflop 2y ago
The pressure to produce more humans was mostly to fuel the armies that need constant supply of young people to throw into the meat grinder; at least in the past centuries in Europe
- MattPalmer1086 2y ago
  You really think people chose to have children and raised them to satisfy military requirements? While it may be sadly true that many young people died like that, that isn't why men and women have children.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    If you were of high class like the nobility or mercantile, you had children to continue your powerful bloodline. You also married to sign off on alliances and cooperatives. Entire wars have been waged over familial ties and successors. If you were of low class like the peasantry, you had children to have enough hands to till the fields. If you were of middle class somewhere in-between, you had children for both of the above each to lesser degrees. In the modern era there's simply less and less practical reasons to have children, not to mention the costs of childcare and rearing. On the bright side, at least we have less instances of war being waged because Lord Dickus Bigus wants to pork out on a lady and screw everyone else.
  - portaouflop 2y ago
    Not “the people” but those in power in society created the cultural framework that incentivised people to get a lot of kids