Wonderfully put. This is also my line of thinking that informs my agnostic/slight affirm approach to whether what we're seeing from LLMs can be called reasoning

Wonderfully put. This is also my line of thinking that informs my agnostic/slight affirm approach to whether what we're seeing from LLMs can be called reasoning. So thanks for your patience in explaining to mjburgess why they might be wrong in their arguments that LLMs "definitely" cannot reason--at least not to the degree of certainty they seem to believe it. He's often here shutting down discussions about LLM reasoning, and they're seemingly oblivious to these considerations in their argument, despite others' attempts to explain it. I hope they're able learn something this time from your response.