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Those abolishments are way less intense than you're thinking. There's still a ton of restrictions that make building even the triplexes that they technically le

Those abolishments are way less intense than you're thinking. There's still a ton of restrictions that make building even the triplexes that they technically legalized actually get built. Things like floor/area ratios and setbacks, which make building dwellings that people want difficult. https://streets.mn/2023/10/24/mapping-minneapolis-duplexes-and-triplexes/ https://streets.mn/2023/10/24/mapping-minneapolis-duplexes-a...

cyberax 2y ago
The abolishments actually fundamentally changed Minneapolis: https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2024/01/04/minneapolis-land-use-reforms-offer-a-blueprint-for-housing-affordability https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/... Most of the new units are in massive multi-apartment buildings. And these buildings have a huge disproportionate impact on the quality of life. It's now going to be sliding into shittier and shittier conditions. More crime, more congestion, higher housing prices.
- germinalphrase 2y ago
  You live near one of these developments? Your reaction may be correct, but my experience has been that the density has brought amenities. A brewery, a cafe, and a good restaurant moved into vacant/underutilized spaces. My street hasn’t been had issues with long-term parkers. Crime’s no issue. IDK. My experience doesn’t align with your certainty.
  - cyberax 2y ago
    I actually do live in a neighborhood affected by densification, although not in Minneapolis. The "amenities" got worse, a couple of local small stores were demolished and replaced with apartment buildings. A couple of these apartment buildings are "low barrier housing", meaning that they are given to junkies. So the property crime in the area skyrocketed (not helped by newly opened transit), and we don't have a single 24-hour pharmacy in the area anymore. The street parking is now oversubscribed, so my friends often have to circle around the area for quite a while to find a spot when they visit me. These changes actually made me look into the question of density. Before that first-hand experience, I used to be a pro-urbanist victim of propaganda. And yes, I lived in Europe and I got my driving license when I was about 30.
    - germinalphrase 2y ago
      That’s unfortunate. Maybe it can be done well or be done poorly. From my experience as a homeowner in Minneapolis, the dense housing has been net neutral/positive.
- waveBidder 2y ago
  I don't think you read and understood the article you just linked. That is talking about a very broad set of reforms, not the single family home zoning abolishment. > higher housing prices Have you ever heard of a market?

cyberax 2y ago

The abolishments actually fundamentally changed Minneapolis: https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2024/01/04/minneapolis-land-use-reforms-offer-a-blueprint-for-housing-affordability https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/... Most of the new units are in massive multi-apartment buildings. And these buildings have a huge disproportionate impact on the quality of life. It's now going to be sliding into shittier and shittier conditions. More crime, more congestion, higher housing prices.

germinalphrase 2y ago
You live near one of these developments? Your reaction may be correct, but my experience has been that the density has brought amenities. A brewery, a cafe, and a good restaurant moved into vacant/underutilized spaces. My street hasn’t been had issues with long-term parkers. Crime’s no issue. IDK. My experience doesn’t align with your certainty.
- cyberax 2y ago
  I actually do live in a neighborhood affected by densification, although not in Minneapolis. The "amenities" got worse, a couple of local small stores were demolished and replaced with apartment buildings. A couple of these apartment buildings are "low barrier housing", meaning that they are given to junkies. So the property crime in the area skyrocketed (not helped by newly opened transit), and we don't have a single 24-hour pharmacy in the area anymore. The street parking is now oversubscribed, so my friends often have to circle around the area for quite a while to find a spot when they visit me. These changes actually made me look into the question of density. Before that first-hand experience, I used to be a pro-urbanist victim of propaganda. And yes, I lived in Europe and I got my driving license when I was about 30.
  - germinalphrase 2y ago
    That’s unfortunate. Maybe it can be done well or be done poorly. From my experience as a homeowner in Minneapolis, the dense housing has been net neutral/positive.
waveBidder 2y ago
I don't think you read and understood the article you just linked. That is talking about a very broad set of reforms, not the single family home zoning abolishment. > higher housing prices Have you ever heard of a market?