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I know China has a few great products nowadays but its reputation for low quality trash will take decades to change in the US, especially given geopolitical cha

I know China has a few great products nowadays but its reputation for low quality trash will take decades to change in the US, especially given geopolitical challenges. You can take risks with Temu gadgets but not cars where your loved ones will be riding. No amount of statistics will do given China's manufacturing history. I simply won't consider a Chinese car in the next 10 years irrespective of testimonials, articles, charts or price. If we want more EVs in the US, we need more competitive offerings from Korea, Europe, Japan and US itself.

bryanlarsen 2y ago
Both Japan and Korea had similar reputations and over came them quickly. Western consumers have noticed the pattern and will be much quicker to trust Chinese cars than they were to trust Japanese and Korean ones, assuming rightly or wrongly that the pattern applies. It helps that the initial product quality of Chinese cars from the big makers is better than American cars. Perhaps their long term quality is worse, but that's unknowable. People will judge by reports of the quality in the first year of ownership. Chinese cars will also be helped by the use of purchased Western brands like MG and Volvo.
- indemnity 2y ago
  My Tesla made in Shanghai is pretty well made. Compared to the same vehicle manufactured in the US, the general finishing and fitment is superior (based on people with access to vehicles made in both countries). I have no complaints, was in better shape on delivery day than my previous Audi, which had been through “detailing” (a.k.a swirled to hell by an unskilled operator).
tim333 2y ago
It depends on the brand. No name Chinese brand - quality probably terrible, Apple iPhone made in China quality good. Brands like BYD are probably quite good also. I used to ride a Chinese imitation "Yamaha" and something went wrong weekly but my Apple stuff is good.
nothercastle 2y ago
If they do the same thing as Hyundai and offer 10 year warranties they can easily capture the sub prime market. If they can show reliability they can move up the value ladder
- rasz 2y ago
  Not really. You know Hyundai is not going anywhere because they build nuclear power plants, ships, housing, trains, banking, tanks, cranes, ... they make everything and are the second biggest zaiba^^^chaebol in Korea. Outside of a few Chinese car companies are mostly small startups, here today gone tomorrow.
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  Chinese battery warranties from CATL (who have 40% of the market) were 10 years a couple of years ago. With more data and experience they've upped them to 12 and now 15 years warranty.

bryanlarsen 2y ago

Both Japan and Korea had similar reputations and over came them quickly. Western consumers have noticed the pattern and will be much quicker to trust Chinese cars than they were to trust Japanese and Korean ones, assuming rightly or wrongly that the pattern applies. It helps that the initial product quality of Chinese cars from the big makers is better than American cars. Perhaps their long term quality is worse, but that's unknowable. People will judge by reports of the quality in the first year of ownership. Chinese cars will also be helped by the use of purchased Western brands like MG and Volvo.

indemnity 2y ago
My Tesla made in Shanghai is pretty well made. Compared to the same vehicle manufactured in the US, the general finishing and fitment is superior (based on people with access to vehicles made in both countries). I have no complaints, was in better shape on delivery day than my previous Audi, which had been through “detailing” (a.k.a swirled to hell by an unskilled operator).

tim333 2y ago

It depends on the brand. No name Chinese brand - quality probably terrible, Apple iPhone made in China quality good. Brands like BYD are probably quite good also. I used to ride a Chinese imitation "Yamaha" and something went wrong weekly but my Apple stuff is good.

nothercastle 2y ago

If they do the same thing as Hyundai and offer 10 year warranties they can easily capture the sub prime market. If they can show reliability they can move up the value ladder

rasz 2y ago
Not really. You know Hyundai is not going anywhere because they build nuclear power plants, ships, housing, trains, banking, tanks, cranes, ... they make everything and are the second biggest zaiba^^^chaebol in Korea. Outside of a few Chinese car companies are mostly small startups, here today gone tomorrow.
ZeroGravitas 2y ago
Chinese battery warranties from CATL (who have 40% of the market) were 10 years a couple of years ago. With more data and experience they've upped them to 12 and now 15 years warranty.