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>But don't pretend to be free speech defenders I don't quite understand what you're saying. Does donating to a charity they support make them not free speech d

>But don't pretend to be free speech defenders I don't quite understand what you're saying. Does donating to a charity they support make them not free speech defenders? >It makes me feel like the margins are too high all around to even have such a plan. They didn't say they're donating all the revenue. Just a portion of the revenue that's a bit higher than the profit. So if the margin is 5%, then they might donate 6% of the revenue from that customer.

silisili 2y ago
> Does donating to a charity they support make them not free speech defenders The policy is not so innocent. It's not just good charities they support, it's charities that have a belief opposite your own, if they disagree. Let's say you were really(and rightly) against pineapple on pizza. And you find a host saying they're OK with anything, have at it. So you make one. Little do you know, they are taking your money and donating to those pineapple on pizza places. Yes, it's contrived. Still, in some professions this would be outright illegal. I'm not saying it should be, but that it shouldn't be lauded, either.
- InsideOutSanta 2y ago
  "It's not just good charities they support" I'm not sure what you mean by "good charities." They're supporting charities they agree with ("The recipient organization does share our values") to counteract speech that they disagree with. So by definition, these are "good charities" from their point of view.
- luckylion 2y ago
  > Still, in some professions this would be outright illegal. What professions are you thinking of?
  - silisili 2y ago
    'outright illegal' as in criminal may have been a bit strong there, perhaps 'a legal liability' is a better choice. Pretty much any profession where one has a duty to their client and has or pretends to have the client's best interest at heart - legal, financial, governmental, medical, etc.
    - luckylion 2y ago
      But that doesn't usually extend to your private life, does it? I assume you can be a lawyer for PETA and donate all the money you made from their business to Meat-Eaters International and can say so publicly. You just can't secretly act against their interest in your professional role. You usually wouldn't either because you want the business relationship to continue, but it'd be news to me that your professional duties would extend so far that you'd have to consider how to spend the money you make from that business.
- pessimizer 2y ago
  > The policy is not so innocent. I'm for free speech, but please don't say stuff like this, in any context. Nobody said the policy was "innocent," whatever you mean by that. The policy is a device that they use in order to make themselves feel better about facilitating the speech of people they dislike. The policy is not intended to create "innocence." > they are taking your money No, they're taking their money. > Still, in some professions this would be outright illegal. Which? I can't imagine one.
- zugi 2y ago
  > Little do you know, they are taking your money and donating to those pineapple on pizza places. I love your analogy, even though I disagree with your conclusions. They publish their MMFAM policy right on their website, so you have fair warning that they may be donating a portion of your payment to those pineapple on pizza places, or other places whose views you disagree with. I'm not saying it's a perfect policy that every company should mimic, but I think many companies may find this model preferable to applying active viewpoint discrimination to the content they host.
- xigoi 2y ago
  If you pay someone, they have a right to do whatever they want with the money, which includes donating it to any charity they like.

silisili 2y ago

> Does donating to a charity they support make them not free speech defenders The policy is not so innocent. It's not just good charities they support, it's charities that have a belief opposite your own, if they disagree. Let's say you were really(and rightly) against pineapple on pizza. And you find a host saying they're OK with anything, have at it. So you make one. Little do you know, they are taking your money and donating to those pineapple on pizza places. Yes, it's contrived. Still, in some professions this would be outright illegal. I'm not saying it should be, but that it shouldn't be lauded, either.

InsideOutSanta 2y ago
"It's not just good charities they support" I'm not sure what you mean by "good charities." They're supporting charities they agree with ("The recipient organization does share our values") to counteract speech that they disagree with. So by definition, these are "good charities" from their point of view.
luckylion 2y ago
> Still, in some professions this would be outright illegal. What professions are you thinking of?
- silisili 2y ago
  'outright illegal' as in criminal may have been a bit strong there, perhaps 'a legal liability' is a better choice. Pretty much any profession where one has a duty to their client and has or pretends to have the client's best interest at heart - legal, financial, governmental, medical, etc.
  - luckylion 2y ago
    But that doesn't usually extend to your private life, does it? I assume you can be a lawyer for PETA and donate all the money you made from their business to Meat-Eaters International and can say so publicly. You just can't secretly act against their interest in your professional role. You usually wouldn't either because you want the business relationship to continue, but it'd be news to me that your professional duties would extend so far that you'd have to consider how to spend the money you make from that business.
pessimizer 2y ago
> The policy is not so innocent. I'm for free speech, but please don't say stuff like this, in any context. Nobody said the policy was "innocent," whatever you mean by that. The policy is a device that they use in order to make themselves feel better about facilitating the speech of people they dislike. The policy is not intended to create "innocence." > they are taking your money No, they're taking their money. > Still, in some professions this would be outright illegal. Which? I can't imagine one.
zugi 2y ago
> Little do you know, they are taking your money and donating to those pineapple on pizza places. I love your analogy, even though I disagree with your conclusions. They publish their MMFAM policy right on their website, so you have fair warning that they may be donating a portion of your payment to those pineapple on pizza places, or other places whose views you disagree with. I'm not saying it's a perfect policy that every company should mimic, but I think many companies may find this model preferable to applying active viewpoint discrimination to the content they host.
xigoi 2y ago
If you pay someone, they have a right to do whatever they want with the money, which includes donating it to any charity they like.