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So they're selling 22$ for a sheet of paper?

by _ZeD_ 2y ago

dhosek 2y ago
The paper is $.01, it’s the folding you’re paying for.
- dogma1138 2y ago
  No you are paying for the story that you’ll be able to smugly tell your colleagues of how much you care about the environment that you’ve purchased a recycled laptop stand, ignoring the fact that this was likely air shipped from Korea and then delivered by multiple trucks to you.
  - nozzlegear 2y ago
    If you're going to buy a laptop stand anyway and you have the choice between A) a plastic stand or B) this recycled stand, does it make more or less sense, in terms of environmental impact, to buy the plastic stand over this one? > ignoring the fact that this was likely air shipped from Korea and then delivered by multiple trucks to you. This presupposes the economies of scale. One plane is not leaving South Korea laden with just one laptop stand and nothing else, and one delivery truck is not leaving the Fedex or UPS depot almost entirely empty save for one laptop stand destined for the consumer's house.
    - pessimizer 2y ago
      > One plane is not leaving South Korea laden with just one laptop stand and nothing else, and one delivery truck is not leaving the Fedex or UPS depot almost entirely empty save for one laptop stand destined for the consumer's house. Who do you imagine thought of it this way, and how does an objection to shipping trash require you to think this way? What normal people imagine is that a package containing this displaces a package containing something else, and that an collective shipping container of these is a shipping container that wouldn't have been shipped otherwise. What you seem to be theorizing is that if these weren't being shipped, some other product would have been invented to take up the volume that it uses, or all other products would expand in order to fill the space. That has a burden of proof that the normal people explanation doesn't require.
      - nozzlegear 2y ago
        > Who do you imagine thought of it this way, and how does an objection to shipping trash require you to think this way? The argument being presented by the person I replied to said verbatim: "ignoring the fact that this was likely air shipped from Korea and then delivered by multiple trucks to you." > What you seem to be theorizing is that if these weren't being shipped, some other product would have been invented to take up the volume that it uses, or all other products would expand in order to fill the space. We don't need to theorize or invent, the plastic products already exist. Go to Amazon and search for "laptop stand" and you'll find a glut of them. So I ask again, if you're going to buy a laptop stand anyway and you have the choice between A) a plastic stand or B) this recycled stand, is it better, in terms of environmental impact, to buy one of the hundreds of plastic stands shipped from South Korea, or this recycled stand shipped from South Korea?
        dogma1138 2y ago
        Plastic which will last 10 times longer and can be reused.
    - nordsieck 2y ago
      > If you're going to buy a laptop stand anyway and you have the choice between A) a plastic stand or B) this recycled stand, does it make more or less sense, in terms of environmental impact, to buy the plastic stand over this one? I mean, if you expect the cardboard one not to last very long, then yes. Yes it does "make more or less sense".
      - nozzlegear 2y ago
        If I expected that, then I wouldn't order one in the first place; much the same as I wouldn't order cheap plastic junk from Amazon with the expectation that it's just going to break or I'm not even going to get what was pictured in the listing. So at the very least we need to have faith that both are decent quality if we want to have a debate over it.
  - a12k 2y ago
    I think they can just fax it, which saves a lot of the environmental waste you’re talking about.
lm28469 2y ago
It fits perfectly with the $100 piece of aluminium/glass and plastic it's made for. Prices don't reflect the material value of an item

So they're selling 22$ for a sheet of paper?

by _ZeD_ 2y ago

So they're selling 22$ for a sheet of paper?

dhosek 2y ago

The paper is $.01, it’s the folding you’re paying for.

dogma1138 2y ago
No you are paying for the story that you’ll be able to smugly tell your colleagues of how much you care about the environment that you’ve purchased a recycled laptop stand, ignoring the fact that this was likely air shipped from Korea and then delivered by multiple trucks to you.
- nozzlegear 2y ago
  If you're going to buy a laptop stand anyway and you have the choice between A) a plastic stand or B) this recycled stand, does it make more or less sense, in terms of environmental impact, to buy the plastic stand over this one? > ignoring the fact that this was likely air shipped from Korea and then delivered by multiple trucks to you. This presupposes the economies of scale. One plane is not leaving South Korea laden with just one laptop stand and nothing else, and one delivery truck is not leaving the Fedex or UPS depot almost entirely empty save for one laptop stand destined for the consumer's house.
  - pessimizer 2y ago
    > One plane is not leaving South Korea laden with just one laptop stand and nothing else, and one delivery truck is not leaving the Fedex or UPS depot almost entirely empty save for one laptop stand destined for the consumer's house. Who do you imagine thought of it this way, and how does an objection to shipping trash require you to think this way? What normal people imagine is that a package containing this displaces a package containing something else, and that an collective shipping container of these is a shipping container that wouldn't have been shipped otherwise. What you seem to be theorizing is that if these weren't being shipped, some other product would have been invented to take up the volume that it uses, or all other products would expand in order to fill the space. That has a burden of proof that the normal people explanation doesn't require.
    - nozzlegear 2y ago
      > Who do you imagine thought of it this way, and how does an objection to shipping trash require you to think this way? The argument being presented by the person I replied to said verbatim: "ignoring the fact that this was likely air shipped from Korea and then delivered by multiple trucks to you." > What you seem to be theorizing is that if these weren't being shipped, some other product would have been invented to take up the volume that it uses, or all other products would expand in order to fill the space. We don't need to theorize or invent, the plastic products already exist. Go to Amazon and search for "laptop stand" and you'll find a glut of them. So I ask again, if you're going to buy a laptop stand anyway and you have the choice between A) a plastic stand or B) this recycled stand, is it better, in terms of environmental impact, to buy one of the hundreds of plastic stands shipped from South Korea, or this recycled stand shipped from South Korea?
      - dogma1138 2y ago
        Plastic which will last 10 times longer and can be reused.
  - nordsieck 2y ago
    > If you're going to buy a laptop stand anyway and you have the choice between A) a plastic stand or B) this recycled stand, does it make more or less sense, in terms of environmental impact, to buy the plastic stand over this one? I mean, if you expect the cardboard one not to last very long, then yes. Yes it does "make more or less sense".
    - nozzlegear 2y ago
      If I expected that, then I wouldn't order one in the first place; much the same as I wouldn't order cheap plastic junk from Amazon with the expectation that it's just going to break or I'm not even going to get what was pictured in the listing. So at the very least we need to have faith that both are decent quality if we want to have a debate over it.
- a12k 2y ago
  I think they can just fax it, which saves a lot of the environmental waste you’re talking about.

lm28469 2y ago

It fits perfectly with the $100 piece of aluminium/glass and plastic it's made for. Prices don't reflect the material value of an item