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https://www.nsf.gov/nsb/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=309769&org=NSB https://www.nsf.gov/nsb/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=309769&or... “In 2021, the proportion of f

by cudgy 2y ago

https://www.nsf.gov/nsb/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=309769&org=NSB https://www.nsf.gov/nsb/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=309769&or... “In 2021, the proportion of foreign-born workers in STEM occupations (26%) was greater than the proportion of U.S.-born workers (24%), with more naturalized citizens in S&E-related occupations (11%) than noncitizens (5%) or U.S.-born citizens (9%).” Does the US still need even more foreign visa workers given these statistics? What percentage is appropriate? How is this sustainable?

tzs 2y ago
I think you may have misunderstood what those numbers represent. They aren't saying that there are more foreign-born STEM workers than US-born STEM workers. They are saying that among all the foreign-born workers in the US, 26% of those workers are working in STEM. Among all the US-born workers, 24% are working in STEM. There are around 29 million foreign-born workers in the US, and around 131 million US-born workers (if Google has given me correct numbers). In percentages 18.1% of workers in the US are foreign-born and 81.9% are US-born. With 26% of the foreign-born workers in STEM and 24% of the US-born workers in STEM that would be about 7.5 million foreign-born STEM workers in the US and 31 million US-born STEM workers in the US. Among STEM workers in the US then it would 19.5% are foreign-born and 80.5% are US-born.
- cudgy 2y ago
  Ok. Thanks for that clarification. Here is a more direct and startling statistic that demonstrates the point: Almost half of all software programmers are foreign born (in 2019 … probably higher now). https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/foreign-born-stem-workers-united-states https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/foreign-... “In 2019, there were 647,000 immigrant software developers, making up 39.2 percent of all software developers (Table 4). In fact, software developers made up 47.3 percent of all foreign-born workers in the computer and math category in 2019.”

by cudgy 2y ago

tzs 2y ago

I think you may have misunderstood what those numbers represent. They aren't saying that there are more foreign-born STEM workers than US-born STEM workers. They are saying that among all the foreign-born workers in the US, 26% of those workers are working in STEM. Among all the US-born workers, 24% are working in STEM. There are around 29 million foreign-born workers in the US, and around 131 million US-born workers (if Google has given me correct numbers). In percentages 18.1% of workers in the US are foreign-born and 81.9% are US-born. With 26% of the foreign-born workers in STEM and 24% of the US-born workers in STEM that would be about 7.5 million foreign-born STEM workers in the US and 31 million US-born STEM workers in the US. Among STEM workers in the US then it would 19.5% are foreign-born and 80.5% are US-born.

cudgy 2y ago
Ok. Thanks for that clarification. Here is a more direct and startling statistic that demonstrates the point: Almost half of all software programmers are foreign born (in 2019 … probably higher now). https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/foreign-born-stem-workers-united-states https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/foreign-... “In 2019, there were 647,000 immigrant software developers, making up 39.2 percent of all software developers (Table 4). In fact, software developers made up 47.3 percent of all foreign-born workers in the computer and math category in 2019.”