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> This is a common misinterpretation. It's not about equality of outcomes. Could you inform Kamala Harris? She just ran a campaign which was largely predicated

> This is a common misinterpretation. It's not about equality of outcomes. Could you inform Kamala Harris? She just ran a campaign which was largely predicated on the need for "equity", the goal of which she repeatedly described as meaning we need to take proactive measures to ensure that "we all wind up at the same place". https://x.com/KamalaHarris/status/1322963321994289154 https://x.com/KamalaHarris/status/1322963321994289154

jonathanlb 2y ago
I think the voters already informed her about that. The campaign was shut down a few months ago.
xrd 2y ago
I was surprised when you said "just ran a campaign largely predicated" because that wasn't how I saw her campaign. And this tweet is from 2020, not 2024, so it doesn't really prove your point. Trump and his MAGA friends might have framed it that way, but I need better evidence to believe what you are asserting. It might be that this proves you didn't pay attention to what she was saying and paid attention to what others said about her?
- water9 2y ago
  Why is make America great again so offensive? For African-Americans, the wealthiest they ever were was during the reconstruction era in the 1870s. That was because after the war, there was a shortage of skilled laborers and so they were in great demand. So this, Misnomer that make America great again is racist makes no sense. Good people don’t teach you to hate other people, remember that. You can’t do the same thing evil people do without becoming the thing that you hate. Morality is not relative. Morality is not Machiavellian
  - intended 2y ago
    Without context nothing is offensive. I have no problems with Tan suits for example. Good people don’t tell you to hate, sure? They do tell you to take care of yourself and to protect yourself. That some people are evil and should be stopped. Bad people sound like good people and use different words to achieve the same goals.
    - ouEight12 2y ago
      >That some people are evil and should be stopped. That's the rhetoric of both sides though, isn't it? the only difference is in who the far left vs far right each believe "should be stopped".
      - intended 2y ago
        >That's the rhetoric of both sides though, isn't it? yes, thats why I chose it. I think the point slipped past, we started with you saying MAGA is innocent. I pointed out that words have context. I gave an example of innocent words, which can be used by bad people, to sound just. MAGA, is in this category. Its not considered innocent, and most people will assume that you are being false or misleading when you say "i dont know why this is bad". Its kinda like showing a Man U flag in an Arsenal town - its impolite. One is expected to have the awareness of how their team is behaving and perceived. I mean, its your team, of course you should know everything about it, from its good PR to its bad PR.
        water9 2y ago
        the issue is that the other side applied a context to it that is not the same context people who created it mean. So you’re taking your own interpretation applying it to somebody else’s saying and turning it into a negative thing even though that’s not what they mean by it. And then you are lambasting them for your own negative connotation applied to what they think is a positive thing.
  - etchalon 2y ago
    You're implying Black Americans should be thankful to return to an era where they were slightly wealthier, but had fewer rights, fewer protections and enormous, normalization, socially acceptable discrimination.
    - water9 2y ago
      No, I’m simply stating that the phrase make America great again is not racist in and of itself. I don’t think it’s debatable that American education and test scores have decreased significantly compared to other countries. When applied in that context to make America great again at educating then there’s no racial context. People are reading what they want to see into the message or more specifically what they want to denigrate
  - amanaplanacanal 2y ago
    Are you saying Make America Great Again means a return to the 1870s?
Cthulhu_ 2y ago
> "we all wind up at the same place" Yes? You're presenting this as some kind of gotcha but isn't that what the ultimate goal is? I mean there's multiple ways to go about it; one that a lot of people object to is e.g. giving people jobs they're not qualified for. But another that I myself benefited from was a government that paid for everyone's education from elementary to university level, allowing me to go from a blue collar lower class to a comfortable middle class income level.
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
  Good for you for being able to use the system to you advantage. Parent has a point though. DEI goals kept moving and changing along with the language in ridiculous direction. Question of the expected future state is very much relevant here. Note that we may disagree on what is acceptable future state.

jonathanlb 2y ago

I think the voters already informed her about that. The campaign was shut down a few months ago.

xrd 2y ago

I was surprised when you said "just ran a campaign largely predicated" because that wasn't how I saw her campaign. And this tweet is from 2020, not 2024, so it doesn't really prove your point. Trump and his MAGA friends might have framed it that way, but I need better evidence to believe what you are asserting. It might be that this proves you didn't pay attention to what she was saying and paid attention to what others said about her?

water9 2y ago
Why is make America great again so offensive? For African-Americans, the wealthiest they ever were was during the reconstruction era in the 1870s. That was because after the war, there was a shortage of skilled laborers and so they were in great demand. So this, Misnomer that make America great again is racist makes no sense. Good people don’t teach you to hate other people, remember that. You can’t do the same thing evil people do without becoming the thing that you hate. Morality is not relative. Morality is not Machiavellian
- intended 2y ago
  Without context nothing is offensive. I have no problems with Tan suits for example. Good people don’t tell you to hate, sure? They do tell you to take care of yourself and to protect yourself. That some people are evil and should be stopped. Bad people sound like good people and use different words to achieve the same goals.
  - ouEight12 2y ago
    >That some people are evil and should be stopped. That's the rhetoric of both sides though, isn't it? the only difference is in who the far left vs far right each believe "should be stopped".
    - intended 2y ago
      >That's the rhetoric of both sides though, isn't it? yes, thats why I chose it. I think the point slipped past, we started with you saying MAGA is innocent. I pointed out that words have context. I gave an example of innocent words, which can be used by bad people, to sound just. MAGA, is in this category. Its not considered innocent, and most people will assume that you are being false or misleading when you say "i dont know why this is bad". Its kinda like showing a Man U flag in an Arsenal town - its impolite. One is expected to have the awareness of how their team is behaving and perceived. I mean, its your team, of course you should know everything about it, from its good PR to its bad PR.
      - water9 2y ago
        the issue is that the other side applied a context to it that is not the same context people who created it mean. So you’re taking your own interpretation applying it to somebody else’s saying and turning it into a negative thing even though that’s not what they mean by it. And then you are lambasting them for your own negative connotation applied to what they think is a positive thing.
- etchalon 2y ago
  You're implying Black Americans should be thankful to return to an era where they were slightly wealthier, but had fewer rights, fewer protections and enormous, normalization, socially acceptable discrimination.
  - water9 2y ago
    No, I’m simply stating that the phrase make America great again is not racist in and of itself. I don’t think it’s debatable that American education and test scores have decreased significantly compared to other countries. When applied in that context to make America great again at educating then there’s no racial context. People are reading what they want to see into the message or more specifically what they want to denigrate
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  Are you saying Make America Great Again means a return to the 1870s?

Cthulhu_ 2y ago

> "we all wind up at the same place" Yes? You're presenting this as some kind of gotcha but isn't that what the ultimate goal is? I mean there's multiple ways to go about it; one that a lot of people object to is e.g. giving people jobs they're not qualified for. But another that I myself benefited from was a government that paid for everyone's education from elementary to university level, allowing me to go from a blue collar lower class to a comfortable middle class income level.

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
Good for you for being able to use the system to you advantage. Parent has a point though. DEI goals kept moving and changing along with the language in ridiculous direction. Question of the expected future state is very much relevant here. Note that we may disagree on what is acceptable future state.