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People hate om commie blocks but it was an excellent solution to mass produce affordable housing in war torn Europe. The free market is full of cheap mass produ

by enaaem 2y ago

People hate om commie blocks but it was an excellent solution to mass produce affordable housing in war torn Europe. The free market is full of cheap mass produced stuff. Why can't housing be mass produced? Why are there not more economic options? It's almost always restrictive regulations that stops these solutions from happening.

teractiveodular 2y ago
Good luck getting commie blocks pushed through planning approvals today. NIMBYs in general are violently against any kind of public housing.
- sudosysgen 2y ago
  Large scale public housing is driven by the state or federal governments, which can simply ignore NIMBYs and local zoning laws. The issue with public housing is not NIMBYism.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > Large scale public housing is driven by the state or federal governments, which can simply ignore NIMBYs and local zoning laws. No, they aren't. They are generally run by local housing authorities with state and federal financial participation, and, in any case, there have been basically no major new public housing projects in the several decades, with many existing projects decommissioned, and public housing assistance shifting from project-based to tenant-based vouchers. Traditional government housing projects started falling out of favor in the 1950s and 1960s as the new projects were often both viewed as worse than the slums they were supposed to replaced and failed to even replace most of the housing units that were destroyed in the urban renewal efforts that created them, and support for them was essentially completely halted by the Nixon Administration in 1973, though it is possible (though, again, rare since the 1980s) for project-based subsidized housing to be created under Section 8, as well as the (far more common) voucher-based aid under Section 8.
    - sudosysgen 2y ago
      There have been no large scale public housing projects in a long time. The only time those were a thing, they were driven at the federal and state level. It's simply not possible for local governments to operate at the scale and expertise needed for this. The world is larger than the US - state and federal level public housing can be done and it can be done well, and at a scale it's only way it can be done. The fact it hasn't in the US doesn't mean it's impossible.
- lostlogin 2y ago
  > NIMBYs in general are violently against any kind of public housing. It’s more complicated than that. I’m massively pro public housing. I hate living next to it. A poorly managed emergency housing facility is just a shit show. Violence, noise, rubbish, human and animal abuse, property damage, police attendance, debt collectors, smell, rodents, animal attacks, threats, overgrown plants etc, all within the last year, at my neighbouring house. If it was ever managed properly, people might view it differently. Managing it costs money, and then people oppose the cost when it doesn’t come with more housing.
  - amanaplanacanal 2y ago
    Nobody wants to live next to the poors. Best way to do that is to keep housing expensive.
Barrin92 2y ago
>People hate om commie blocks people tend to hate on the decades old, usually cheap because under heavily financial constraints Eastern bloc version, but Finland relevant to the topic of the thread to this day is heavily inspired by that kind of architecture, and a lot of modern neighborhoods being built are basically the same thing... just nice and with a bit more cash on hand.[1] It's an eminently sane way to house people, and I'm pretty certain a lot of people everywhere would take a nice, central apartment if they could actually see that it cuts their rent and energy bills in half. In places that are used to sprawl and high costs there's just too much inertia. [1] https://cdn.thedesignstory.com/editor/editor-fflo-1645278651-feature-im-9edgczczj.jpg?w=1000 https://cdn.thedesignstory.com/editor/editor-fflo-1645278651...
- enaaem 2y ago
  Looks great. I have heard Finland has very affordable housing. Yeah I do agree we should build better housing now than post WW2 economies. The main point I want to make is that affordable housing is already solved.

by enaaem 2y ago

teractiveodular 2y ago

Good luck getting commie blocks pushed through planning approvals today. NIMBYs in general are violently against any kind of public housing.

sudosysgen 2y ago
Large scale public housing is driven by the state or federal governments, which can simply ignore NIMBYs and local zoning laws. The issue with public housing is not NIMBYism.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > Large scale public housing is driven by the state or federal governments, which can simply ignore NIMBYs and local zoning laws. No, they aren't. They are generally run by local housing authorities with state and federal financial participation, and, in any case, there have been basically no major new public housing projects in the several decades, with many existing projects decommissioned, and public housing assistance shifting from project-based to tenant-based vouchers. Traditional government housing projects started falling out of favor in the 1950s and 1960s as the new projects were often both viewed as worse than the slums they were supposed to replaced and failed to even replace most of the housing units that were destroyed in the urban renewal efforts that created them, and support for them was essentially completely halted by the Nixon Administration in 1973, though it is possible (though, again, rare since the 1980s) for project-based subsidized housing to be created under Section 8, as well as the (far more common) voucher-based aid under Section 8.
  - sudosysgen 2y ago
    There have been no large scale public housing projects in a long time. The only time those were a thing, they were driven at the federal and state level. It's simply not possible for local governments to operate at the scale and expertise needed for this. The world is larger than the US - state and federal level public housing can be done and it can be done well, and at a scale it's only way it can be done. The fact it hasn't in the US doesn't mean it's impossible.
lostlogin 2y ago
> NIMBYs in general are violently against any kind of public housing. It’s more complicated than that. I’m massively pro public housing. I hate living next to it. A poorly managed emergency housing facility is just a shit show. Violence, noise, rubbish, human and animal abuse, property damage, police attendance, debt collectors, smell, rodents, animal attacks, threats, overgrown plants etc, all within the last year, at my neighbouring house. If it was ever managed properly, people might view it differently. Managing it costs money, and then people oppose the cost when it doesn’t come with more housing.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  Nobody wants to live next to the poors. Best way to do that is to keep housing expensive.

Barrin92 2y ago

>People hate om commie blocks people tend to hate on the decades old, usually cheap because under heavily financial constraints Eastern bloc version, but Finland relevant to the topic of the thread to this day is heavily inspired by that kind of architecture, and a lot of modern neighborhoods being built are basically the same thing... just nice and with a bit more cash on hand.[1] It's an eminently sane way to house people, and I'm pretty certain a lot of people everywhere would take a nice, central apartment if they could actually see that it cuts their rent and energy bills in half. In places that are used to sprawl and high costs there's just too much inertia. [1] https://cdn.thedesignstory.com/editor/editor-fflo-1645278651-feature-im-9edgczczj.jpg?w=1000 https://cdn.thedesignstory.com/editor/editor-fflo-1645278651...

enaaem 2y ago
Looks great. I have heard Finland has very affordable housing. Yeah I do agree we should build better housing now than post WW2 economies. The main point I want to make is that affordable housing is already solved.