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This is just hair splitting. What everyone means by "typing" today is typing members in structures and co. Every time you reach for python after a typed languag

by wruza 2y ago

This is just hair splitting. What everyone means by "typing" today is typing members in structures and co. Every time you reach for python after a typed language, it feels like going through a barbed minefield blindfolded. The fact that its "world" almost entirely consists of little moving subclasses in subnamespaces doesn't help either. All you can think of python is how to write as few lines of it as possible to return to DX faster. It is my only use case for AI-based development because I cannot stand an extra minute in this abomination without cursing into the editor.

dragonwriter 2y ago
> Every time you reach for python after a typed language, it feels like going through a barbed minefield blindfolded. Using both Python and mandatorily statically typed languages regularly professsionally (my main working languages being C#, Python, and a mix of JS and TS), that's not my experience at all. (Of course, Python has a variety of optional static typecheckers with differing degrees of type inference, as well as supporting explicit type specifications; its not untyped unless you choose to use it that way.)
- worik 2y ago
  > mandatorily statically typed languages.... C#, Python, and a mix of JS and TS JS and TS are not good examples of typed languages. I dunno about c#
kragen 2y ago
It's not hairsplitting, and it's not what everyone means, just the people you talk to. Languages without typing are things like assembly language(s), which underlie everything you do on a computer and is (are) still in the TIOBE Index's top 20 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index, as well as much more obscure languages. The distinction between untyped languages and dynamically typed languages is night and day. I'm pretty competent in Python, C, Java, JavaScript, assembly, and a number of other languages†, and my experience in Python is nothing like what you're describing, although I do have my own frustrations with it. It's possible that when you're more experienced you'll have a different perspective, but it sounds like you're stuck inside a pretty small bubble right now. ______ † Last year I also programmed in C++, Lua, C#, bash, Tcl, Emacs Lisp, Forth, Golang, OCaml, Scheme, Perl, Common Lisp, and the ngspice scripting language.
- wruza 2y ago
  I have a similar list, no need to worry about my YoE in various things. I left full-time python many years ago. You're right about my current bubble though. I find it productive and useful, compared to python which I have to touch from time to time. My worst gripe is that ML is my new interest and it is all python. I'm basically screwed.

by wruza 2y ago

dragonwriter 2y ago

> Every time you reach for python after a typed language, it feels like going through a barbed minefield blindfolded. Using both Python and mandatorily statically typed languages regularly professsionally (my main working languages being C#, Python, and a mix of JS and TS), that's not my experience at all. (Of course, Python has a variety of optional static typecheckers with differing degrees of type inference, as well as supporting explicit type specifications; its not untyped unless you choose to use it that way.)

worik 2y ago
> mandatorily statically typed languages.... C#, Python, and a mix of JS and TS JS and TS are not good examples of typed languages. I dunno about c#

kragen 2y ago

It's not hairsplitting, and it's not what everyone means, just the people you talk to. Languages without typing are things like assembly language(s), which underlie everything you do on a computer and is (are) still in the TIOBE Index's top 20 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index, as well as much more obscure languages. The distinction between untyped languages and dynamically typed languages is night and day. I'm pretty competent in Python, C, Java, JavaScript, assembly, and a number of other languages†, and my experience in Python is nothing like what you're describing, although I do have my own frustrations with it. It's possible that when you're more experienced you'll have a different perspective, but it sounds like you're stuck inside a pretty small bubble right now. ______ † Last year I also programmed in C++, Lua, C#, bash, Tcl, Emacs Lisp, Forth, Golang, OCaml, Scheme, Perl, Common Lisp, and the ngspice scripting language.

wruza 2y ago
I have a similar list, no need to worry about my YoE in various things. I left full-time python many years ago. You're right about my current bubble though. I find it productive and useful, compared to python which I have to touch from time to time. My worst gripe is that ML is my new interest and it is all python. I'm basically screwed.