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I have witnessed: * co-workers being extremely wary of offending them in any way * superiors telling me to hire them * corporate literature that focuses on p

by cbeach 2y ago

I have witnessed: * co-workers being extremely wary of offending them in any way * superiors telling me to hire them * corporate literature that focuses on promoting their interests * corporate networks that grant them additional networking and social opportunities I have worked at a hedge fund, market data company, American and Australian investment banks and a travel startup. I have NEVER witnessed racism or sexism in the workplace. If I ever did, I would find it shocking and very weird.

eapressoandcats 2y ago
Maybe try talking to this guy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23669188 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23669188 If you’re not witnessing it then that’s only because you’re not noticing it, unless you think a large chunk of the population is just a bunch of liars. Also you need to explain why there is a huge racial imbalance in elite jobs. Also you need to explain literal blinded studies demonstrating racism in callbacks based on resumes. None of it excuses reverse discrimination but denying it is happening is just not based in reality.
- cbeach 2y ago
  > you need to explain why there is a huge racial imbalance in elite jobs. Well, that's easily explained by demographic history. Here in the UK, we only had mass immigration from the Middle East and Africa within the last couple of generations, and many of the people who came were emmigrating from countries with low rates of literacy. We wouldn't expect white-collar roles to match the demographic makeup of the population in tight lock-step. We cannot ignore the differences in economic and educational background, and the time it takes to attain elite high responsibility jobs in terms of career tenure. Luckily, children of ethnic minority immigrants are performing well in the UK school system, so hopefully over a generation or two we should naturally see the trend improve. But while our population is expanding at approx 900K per year, with many from low-income countries with poor education systems, we will continue to see demographic imbalances in elite roles. > you need to explain literal blinded studies demonstrating racism in callbacks based on resumes. I don't discount that racism exists. I simply pointed out that the only racism and sexism I've experienced in the workplace has been _against_ white people, as opposed to _perpetrated by_ white people. DEI, by lowering the bar for certain genders and races, is actually promoting prejudice against those groups. It sends the message that these people need a leg up.
  - cycrutchfield 2y ago
    How would you experience racism and sexism in the workplace that is not targeted at you?
- bollocksie 2y ago
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  - jyounker 2y ago
    Yes, exactly. Because people in power decide to keep wealth for themselves and people who look like themselves, and because when minorities start to gain power, then the majority crushes them.
    - chimen 2y ago
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by cbeach 2y ago

eapressoandcats 2y ago

Maybe try talking to this guy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23669188 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23669188 If you’re not witnessing it then that’s only because you’re not noticing it, unless you think a large chunk of the population is just a bunch of liars. Also you need to explain why there is a huge racial imbalance in elite jobs. Also you need to explain literal blinded studies demonstrating racism in callbacks based on resumes. None of it excuses reverse discrimination but denying it is happening is just not based in reality.

cbeach 2y ago
> you need to explain why there is a huge racial imbalance in elite jobs. Well, that's easily explained by demographic history. Here in the UK, we only had mass immigration from the Middle East and Africa within the last couple of generations, and many of the people who came were emmigrating from countries with low rates of literacy. We wouldn't expect white-collar roles to match the demographic makeup of the population in tight lock-step. We cannot ignore the differences in economic and educational background, and the time it takes to attain elite high responsibility jobs in terms of career tenure. Luckily, children of ethnic minority immigrants are performing well in the UK school system, so hopefully over a generation or two we should naturally see the trend improve. But while our population is expanding at approx 900K per year, with many from low-income countries with poor education systems, we will continue to see demographic imbalances in elite roles. > you need to explain literal blinded studies demonstrating racism in callbacks based on resumes. I don't discount that racism exists. I simply pointed out that the only racism and sexism I've experienced in the workplace has been _against_ white people, as opposed to _perpetrated by_ white people. DEI, by lowering the bar for certain genders and races, is actually promoting prejudice against those groups. It sends the message that these people need a leg up.
- cycrutchfield 2y ago
  How would you experience racism and sexism in the workplace that is not targeted at you?
bollocksie 2y ago
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- jyounker 2y ago
  Yes, exactly. Because people in power decide to keep wealth for themselves and people who look like themselves, and because when minorities start to gain power, then the majority crushes them.
  - chimen 2y ago
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