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I could not read the entire article due to paywall, but I think tipping less will actually drive businesses to pay a proper wage to the people providing the ser

by oarla 2y ago

I could not read the entire article due to paywall, but I think tipping less will actually drive businesses to pay a proper wage to the people providing the service. I try to tip 5% more than the expected amount as I am aware that people working in many of these jobs are not paid enough. However, its absolutely ridiculous when I am asked to leave a tip on self checkout kiosks. That should be illegal.

sneak 2y ago
> I could not read the entire article due to paywall, but I think tipping less will actually drive businesses to pay a proper wage to the people providing the service. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utksPm6KgjU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utksPm6KgjU The canonical commentary by Tarantino, from Reservoir Dogs.
dhritzkiv 2y ago
One thing to consider –especially at "non-standard" tipping establishments– is how much of the tip goes to the server/cashier. CBC's Marketplace did some investigating [1], and found that in many cases, the owner or manager pocket part or all of the service tip, even in provinces where this is not legal. [1 – video] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF0zJIRe1J8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF0zJIRe1J8 [1 - text article] https://www.cbc.ca/news/marketplace/tipping-marketplace-1.7395871 https://www.cbc.ca/news/marketplace/tipping-marketplace-1.73...
danaris 2y ago
> I think tipping less will actually drive businesses to pay a proper wage to the people providing the service. And what, in the behavior of businesses over the past few decades, leads you to believe they wouldn't just laugh at them and tell them they should be happy for whatever they get? What leads you to believe a critical mass of businesses in the industries that expect tips would ever, within the current culture and legal regime, decide to compete for high-quality employees by paying them more, rather than just firing everyone who complains, and then bitching and moaning that "no one wants to work" when the applicants for the positions become fewer and lower-quality? What leads you to believe that a bottom-up approach to this will have any effect, without a genuine change in the culture to declare tipping and the concomitant lower base pay for tipped workers unacceptable, rather than a top-down effort that actually changes the laws and regulations around it?

by oarla 2y ago

sneak 2y ago

> I could not read the entire article due to paywall, but I think tipping less will actually drive businesses to pay a proper wage to the people providing the service. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utksPm6KgjU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utksPm6KgjU The canonical commentary by Tarantino, from Reservoir Dogs.

dhritzkiv 2y ago

One thing to consider –especially at "non-standard" tipping establishments– is how much of the tip goes to the server/cashier. CBC's Marketplace did some investigating [1], and found that in many cases, the owner or manager pocket part or all of the service tip, even in provinces where this is not legal. [1 – video] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF0zJIRe1J8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF0zJIRe1J8 [1 - text article] https://www.cbc.ca/news/marketplace/tipping-marketplace-1.7395871 https://www.cbc.ca/news/marketplace/tipping-marketplace-1.73...

danaris 2y ago

> I think tipping less will actually drive businesses to pay a proper wage to the people providing the service. And what, in the behavior of businesses over the past few decades, leads you to believe they wouldn't just laugh at them and tell them they should be happy for whatever they get? What leads you to believe a critical mass of businesses in the industries that expect tips would ever, within the current culture and legal regime, decide to compete for high-quality employees by paying them more, rather than just firing everyone who complains, and then bitching and moaning that "no one wants to work" when the applicants for the positions become fewer and lower-quality? What leads you to believe that a bottom-up approach to this will have any effect, without a genuine change in the culture to declare tipping and the concomitant lower base pay for tipped workers unacceptable, rather than a top-down effort that actually changes the laws and regulations around it?