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Maybe there needs to be something between J1 and H1Bs?

PaulHoule 2y ago
Probably. I want to laugh at the idea that "startups" need H1Bs but I should cry. If someone is really a "key employee" of a startup they can't be subject to a game of chance. Google, IBM, Infosys and others who file thousands of them can easily play the numbers. I quit the ACM because I couldn't accept their policy of 100% advocacy of H1Bs and joined the IEEE Computer Society because it refused to take a position. (An anti policy could be easily misunderstood) I am not against immigration, in fact I've seen H1Bs put people in a terrible position -- I knew a brilliant data scientist who was being dicked around and I wanted to tell them "your skills are in demand and you can get a better job" but it wasn't true. This person would tell me about his struggles with immigration and realized my story that my ancestors left a failing agricultural economy in Quebec and the horrors of WWI in what was then Austria-Hungary and made a new home here would be cruel to recount to him.
- slt2021 2y ago
  Elon musk was on H1B when he was working for a startup. I think it is valid to allow startups hire H1Bs. Mind you today it is extremely hard and a lot of early atage atartups dont even bother to hire h1b due to uncertainty if the lottery
  - claudiug 2y ago
    Elon musk was on H1B when he was working for a startup. -> and now we have space karen or adrian...
  - PaulHoule 2y ago
    Perhaps I didn't explain that I'm not against having visas for people to work here (the individual that I'm talking about got in the position he did because he was educated here and already had some standing) but that putting them behind a lottery is something senseless and cruel that only a politician could think up. As for Musk (as much as I admire Falcon 9 and Starship) I think he's self-centered and unprincipled and that, observing the success of Donald Trump, he thinks that these traits can win him admiration. He's for immigration when it's good for him, otherwise he's indifferent or against it if he thinks its good politics.
munk-a 2y ago
Lets not ignore O1 visas either. O1 visas are, in my opinion, what we should lean into instead of continuing with employer specific specialized worker visas - if you're accepted into the US you should be free to work for whomever you chose and the power to change jobs is requisite to ensuring a fair labor market.
- jltsiren 2y ago
  O-1 is like H-1B, but worse. It's also tied to a single employer, the application process requires more work, and transitioning to a green card is a bit harder. Which means an O-1 worker is even more dependent of their employer than an H-1B worker.

Probably. I want to laugh at the idea that "startups" need H1Bs but I should cry. If someone is really a "key employee" of a startup they can't be subject to a game of chance. Google, IBM, Infosys and others who file thousands of them can easily play the numbers. I quit the ACM because I couldn't accept their policy of 100% advocacy of H1Bs and joined the IEEE Computer Society because it refused to take a position. (An anti policy could be easily misunderstood) I am not against immigration, in fact I've seen H1Bs put people in a terrible position -- I knew a brilliant data scientist who was being dicked around and I wanted to tell them "your skills are in demand and you can get a better job" but it wasn't true. This person would tell me about his struggles with immigration and realized my story that my ancestors left a failing agricultural economy in Quebec and the horrors of WWI in what was then Austria-Hungary and made a new home here would be cruel to recount to him.

slt2021 2y ago
Elon musk was on H1B when he was working for a startup. I think it is valid to allow startups hire H1Bs. Mind you today it is extremely hard and a lot of early atage atartups dont even bother to hire h1b due to uncertainty if the lottery
- claudiug 2y ago
  Elon musk was on H1B when he was working for a startup. -> and now we have space karen or adrian...
- PaulHoule 2y ago
  Perhaps I didn't explain that I'm not against having visas for people to work here (the individual that I'm talking about got in the position he did because he was educated here and already had some standing) but that putting them behind a lottery is something senseless and cruel that only a politician could think up. As for Musk (as much as I admire Falcon 9 and Starship) I think he's self-centered and unprincipled and that, observing the success of Donald Trump, he thinks that these traits can win him admiration. He's for immigration when it's good for him, otherwise he's indifferent or against it if he thinks its good politics.

munk-a 2y ago

Lets not ignore O1 visas either. O1 visas are, in my opinion, what we should lean into instead of continuing with employer specific specialized worker visas - if you're accepted into the US you should be free to work for whomever you chose and the power to change jobs is requisite to ensuring a fair labor market.

jltsiren 2y ago
O-1 is like H-1B, but worse. It's also tied to a single employer, the application process requires more work, and transitioning to a green card is a bit harder. Which means an O-1 worker is even more dependent of their employer than an H-1B worker.