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Do you think there is a functional difference between those words?

ceejayoz 2y ago
I think you could easily describe accessibility efforts to be an attempt to provide both equal and equitable access to content.
- throwpoaster 2y ago
  Equity requires unequal treatment so do you have an example?
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Sure. Equal is giving everyone a printout. Equity is giving the blind student a Braille version. The latter is an attempt at providing equal access to the contents to those with different needs, so that they may learn equitably. (The alternative term JEDI might argue that this is the just result.)
    - throwpoaster 2y ago
      Thank you, that seems a pretty good example.
    - Manuel_D 2y ago
      You're not describing equity. You're describing accessibility. Equity would be mandating that blind students pass at the same rate as sighted students regardless of their scores.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        No, I’m describing equity in opportunity to learn. Equal outcomes for all is not equity - it is inequitable for a deliberately lazy person to succeed when a hard working person does not, just because of something they were born with. Giving every student the same printed packet is equal treatment, but unjust and inequitable to the blind student. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_equity?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_equity?wprov=sfti1 > Social equity within a society is different from social equality based on formal equality of opportunity. For example, person A may have no difficulty walking, person B may be able to walk but have difficulties with stairs, while person C may be unable to walk at all. Social equality would be treating each of those three people in the same way (by providing each with the same aids, or none), whereas social equity pursues the aim of making them equally capable of traversing public spaces by themselves (e.g. by installing lifts next to staircases and providing person C with a wheelchair).

I think you could easily describe accessibility efforts to be an attempt to provide both equal and equitable access to content.

throwpoaster 2y ago
Equity requires unequal treatment so do you have an example?
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  Sure. Equal is giving everyone a printout. Equity is giving the blind student a Braille version. The latter is an attempt at providing equal access to the contents to those with different needs, so that they may learn equitably. (The alternative term JEDI might argue that this is the just result.)
  - throwpoaster 2y ago
    Thank you, that seems a pretty good example.
  - Manuel_D 2y ago
    You're not describing equity. You're describing accessibility. Equity would be mandating that blind students pass at the same rate as sighted students regardless of their scores.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      No, I’m describing equity in opportunity to learn. Equal outcomes for all is not equity - it is inequitable for a deliberately lazy person to succeed when a hard working person does not, just because of something they were born with. Giving every student the same printed packet is equal treatment, but unjust and inequitable to the blind student. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_equity?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_equity?wprov=sfti1 > Social equity within a society is different from social equality based on formal equality of opportunity. For example, person A may have no difficulty walking, person B may be able to walk but have difficulties with stairs, while person C may be unable to walk at all. Social equality would be treating each of those three people in the same way (by providing each with the same aids, or none), whereas social equity pursues the aim of making them equally capable of traversing public spaces by themselves (e.g. by installing lifts next to staircases and providing person C with a wheelchair).