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I would classify that as a role tasked with ADA compliance, not "DEI".

by lotsofpulp 2y ago

ceejayoz 2y ago
One might readily describe the ADA as a DEI initiative, yes.
- deleted 2y ago
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- grues-dinner 2y ago
  I would say that DEI has sucked a huge amount of oxygen out of the room on accessibility. It's all out of the same budget, but as you can see, most people don't think of accessibility when they think of DEI, they think of race, gender and sexuality. And out of those, accessibility is the one that has actual measurable metrics and requires expensive technical skill and compromises with non-accessible functions to implement well. Everything else on the list is PR work.
  - ChocolateGod 2y ago
    > I would say that DEI has sucked a huge amount of oxygen out of the room on accessibility Which is a real shame because accessibility features and policies actually make things better and easier for everyone.
- pc86 2y ago
  One would be objectively wrong, though.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Disabilities come in a diverse variety. People with disabilities wanted to be included in society. The goal of the Act was to provide a more equitable society for those people. It would absolutely be derided as "woke DEI nonsense" if proposed today.
    - pc86 2y ago
      Yes I see you doing this all over the thread italicizing the same words and using them slightly differently, I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove. ADA predates DEI by a couple decades. Lots of people, including Republicans, support the ADA and support expanding its protections. This is a pretty standard tactic of partisans when their pet issue becomes unpopular - take something unrelated, or at best tangentially related, and pretend it's related or that that's what they've been advocating for all along. I don't care if you support the ADA or you don't. I don't care if you support DEI or you don't. But they're different, they've never been related, and any attempt by partisans on the left to lump them together is just trying to reframe the issue as "against DEI == against the ADA" because of course everyone on the right hates disabled people right?
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        > Lots of people, including Republicans, support the ADA and support expanding its protections. Now, sure. At the time? Same sort of bullshit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Act_of_1990#Opposition_from_religious_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Ac... Both are rooted in the same concept - that people should have fair opportunity to participate in society even if different in some ways.
        pc86 2y ago
        Scroll up a couple lines from your link and take a look at the sponsor, who Republicans nominated to be President. So no, your partisan assertion is nonsense.
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        Tom Harkin? The Democrat? Are we to think that the Republican party of 1990 - of the Bushes and the Cheneys and the Romneys - is the same as the Republican party of 2025 that has driven them out of the org?
        2y ago

I would classify that as a role tasked with ADA compliance, not "DEI".

ceejayoz 2y ago

One might readily describe the ADA as a DEI initiative, yes.

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grues-dinner 2y ago
I would say that DEI has sucked a huge amount of oxygen out of the room on accessibility. It's all out of the same budget, but as you can see, most people don't think of accessibility when they think of DEI, they think of race, gender and sexuality. And out of those, accessibility is the one that has actual measurable metrics and requires expensive technical skill and compromises with non-accessible functions to implement well. Everything else on the list is PR work.
- ChocolateGod 2y ago
  > I would say that DEI has sucked a huge amount of oxygen out of the room on accessibility Which is a real shame because accessibility features and policies actually make things better and easier for everyone.
pc86 2y ago
One would be objectively wrong, though.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  Disabilities come in a diverse variety. People with disabilities wanted to be included in society. The goal of the Act was to provide a more equitable society for those people. It would absolutely be derided as "woke DEI nonsense" if proposed today.
  - pc86 2y ago
    Yes I see you doing this all over the thread italicizing the same words and using them slightly differently, I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove. ADA predates DEI by a couple decades. Lots of people, including Republicans, support the ADA and support expanding its protections. This is a pretty standard tactic of partisans when their pet issue becomes unpopular - take something unrelated, or at best tangentially related, and pretend it's related or that that's what they've been advocating for all along. I don't care if you support the ADA or you don't. I don't care if you support DEI or you don't. But they're different, they've never been related, and any attempt by partisans on the left to lump them together is just trying to reframe the issue as "against DEI == against the ADA" because of course everyone on the right hates disabled people right?
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      > Lots of people, including Republicans, support the ADA and support expanding its protections. Now, sure. At the time? Same sort of bullshit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Act_of_1990#Opposition_from_religious_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Ac... Both are rooted in the same concept - that people should have fair opportunity to participate in society even if different in some ways.
      - pc86 2y ago
        Scroll up a couple lines from your link and take a look at the sponsor, who Republicans nominated to be President. So no, your partisan assertion is nonsense.
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        Tom Harkin? The Democrat? Are we to think that the Republican party of 1990 - of the Bushes and the Cheneys and the Romneys - is the same as the Republican party of 2025 that has driven them out of the org?
        2y ago