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Are they rolling back Chinese and Indian managers only hiring Chinese and Indian folks, too?
by baq 2y ago
Are they rolling back Chinese and Indian managers only hiring Chinese and Indian folks, too?
- pkkkzip 2y ago[flagged]
- dang 2y ago"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- triceratops 2y agoYou want to...make their hiring more diverse?
- baq 2y agoPreposterous!
- thepasswordis 2y agoNo I think what they're saying is that they want ability to be the only (or at least by far the primary) metric used to evaluate the fitness of a candidate.
- paxys 2y agoThere's no magical measure for ability. People tend to hire people who look like them and act like them, simply because in their mind that is what seems correct. That's how humans have always behaved, and it isn't going to change.
- triceratops 2y agoThen they're saying specifically Chinese and Indian managers hire people who are less skilled than the best candidates available to them. It's a fishy claim that needs proof.
- VirusNewbie 2y agoWhen you see a mediocre team of all H1Bs from the same country of origin as their manager, it seems pretty fishy to me. Really, not one other candidate from a slightly different asian country hit your bar? I've seen on occasion at FAANG.
- triceratops 2y ago> mediocre team of all H1Bs More mediocre than other people in the company? Presumably the manager is themselves an immigrant, possibly also on a visa. OP's saying they deliberately saddle themselves with people who are worse on every dimension, and thereby make their own job harder. And only managers from 2 countries do this. That should be suspicious to anyone possessed with logic. > Really, not one other candidate from a slightly different <group> hit your bar? See now that's a very different question. Are you, like OP, also arguing for diversity considerations in hiring? > from the same country of origin But not any random country. Literally the 2 largest countries in the world, which produce massive quantities of software engineers. Preferentially hiring from your "in-group" is never morally or legally right. But why is there automatically a presumption of lower competence when that "in-group" is such an enormous hiring pool?
- annzabelle 2y agoThat's the most egregious hiring practice I've actually seen. The white/black/hispanic/asian american managers all hire teams with multiple ethnicities based on the most qualified candidates for the job, while Indian born managers frequently seem to end up with teams that are 80+% Indian. I don't think I've ever seen a team that's 80% white, even in roles that require US Citizenship, but 80% Indian happens frequently.
- runako 2y ago> I don't think I've ever seen a team that's 80% white I assure you this is very common in the industry, at least in the US. I can even go further: that 80% white team will usually also not have any women. 80% white men on a team describes most of the teams I've worked on over the decades.
- golly_ned 2y agoDepends highly on the scale of the company from what I've seen. Megacorp can sponsor visas and end up with entire organizations of Indian or Chinese.
- nprateem 2y agoHow many women were doing Comp Sci in your year at uni? Mine had 6 out of 110. And they mostly hated it and don't work in IT now the ones I know about.
- runako 2y agoAt my university it looks like the CS program is currently just shy of 40% women. This is higher than it was when I went. But the degree is a red herring. Most of the engineering teams I have worked with have had members who did not have CS degrees. In fact, it's unusual in my experience for e.g. project managers, QA, or design to have CS degrees. Most performing engineering organizations include people who did not study computer science at a university, and that is a good thing. Quite a number of good engineers do not have CS degrees. Whether or not a person studied CS at age 20 has almost no bearing on their capability to excel at engineering at age 30. Checking degrees is not a useful gauge in the field, and doing so often makes one appear snobbish.
- yantramanav 2y agoThere’s no data to prove this allegation. Are we resorting to hearsay and racist dog whistles at HN now?
- dtquad 2y agoSounds like you want DEI for white people. That is not going to happen. Chinese and Indians in tech was already a stereotype in the 90s.
- zht 2y agowhat a disgusting comment
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- bigtimesink 2y agoNever join one of these teams if you're not the modal race. This isn't the case for every team, but there will be important conversations in a language you don't know, and worst case, you were brought on so they have someone to let go when the company demands another 5%.
- hshshshshsh 2y agoHow do you know the conversation is important if you don't know the language?
- alexanderchr 2y agoHave you never noticed that you were left out of an important conversation, without hearing the conversation itself?
- hshshshshsh 2y agoWell the case is different here. OP was present in the conversation and was able to figure out it's important without knowing the language. Otherwise they can just say they had a very important conversation in a place where OP was not present. Also curious what happened after OP figured it out and asked them to switch to English. Did they refuse? Did OP reach out to his manager? Did manager ignore OP? Did OP reach out to skip or HR about the manager? Lot of missing details.
- cindycindy 2y ago[dead]
- lionkor 2y agoyou hear your boss's boss's name a few times, maybe your own name
- hshshshshsh 2y ago
- ken47 2y agoFolks from a given country tend to network with and feel more comfortable with people from said country, affecting their hiring and promotion practices. That’s only natural.
- bushbaba 2y agoI’m an immigrant and I’ve never felt that way. The U.S. has a melting pot of cultures with everyone able to relate to everyone in some way shape or form. Generally with food. Americans eat German food, Italian food, Indian food, Cantonese food etc. and best of all, we fusion them together…curry pizza for ex.
- jensensbutton 2y agoThought we were supposed to hire on merit. These folks are lowering the bar.
- l0t0b0r0s 2y agoI agree, so why are white people and white countries prohibited from doing this?
- nprateem 2y agoOnly if they stop making it cheaper to hire from offshore