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Is it possible that's happening somewhere? Certainly. Is that the reality I see? No... it's entirely symbolic. Different experiences, but I trust what i see i

Is it possible that's happening somewhere? Certainly. Is that the reality I see? No... it's entirely symbolic. Different experiences, but I trust what i see in the real world versus anecdotes of people against it for political reasons.

lazycog512 2y ago
Google HR is on the record doing this. I guess shutting one's eyes is an alternative way of seeing the real world, in a way.
- AndyNemmity 2y ago
  You don't need to be uncharitable. I don't work at Google, and am unfamiliar with it's implementation. It doesn't require "shutting one's eyes". From my vantage point that I see, they are a marketing implementation. I personally would like them to have real teeth, and matter.
- segasaturn 2y ago
  Source?
jazzyjackson 2y ago
Consider that people may develop political responses to what they see in the real world.
- vkou 2y ago
  History has also shown us that people develop political opinions based on whatever lies are repeated often enough in their media echo chamber. Consider the truly bizarre origins of antisemitism, for one. (And I'm not talking about people who have opinions on geopolitics in the ME. Think about how the other kind of antisemite, who doesn't give a rat's ass about what's going on 10,000 miles away reaches their political opinions.) Or, better yet, the gay satanic-panic currently gripping half the country, and the insane culture war being waged around it. You can't actually believe that all those people who have strong opinions about it have been somehow personally wronged by homosexuals. But they do turn on the telly to listen to some lunatic screaming about how there's a mass conspiracy to turn their children gay.
  - jpeloquin 2y ago
    > Or, better yet, the gay satanic-panic currently gripping half the country, and the insane culture war being waged around it. You can't actually believe that all those people who have strong opinions about it have been somehow personally wronged by homosexuals. Or the satanic panic over Dungeons & Dragons in the 1980s. One of the cops ("school resource officers") in the middle school I went to still believed in that nonsense and it was the early 2000s by that point.
  - AlexandrB 2y ago
    This cuts both ways. If you listen to leftie media you'd believe that trans people are going to be literally rounded up and killed in the streets after Trump takes power. Saying that "people" develop political opinions based on media lies but then excluding yourself and those that agree with you from these "people" is awfully convenient rhetorically.
    - hooverd 2y ago
      Leftie media in that case is usually just reprinting what people on the right say they intend on doing, though.
      - vkou 2y ago
        We are currently in a world where you can be banned from certain rights wing echo chambers for, verbatim, quoting the more deranged and unhinged things a major right wing political figure has said. It's not really alarmist or hyperbolic when some of the newer deranged things include not needing to vote anymore, or annexing Canada and Greenland. You have to, like, take this seriously. Its not just some reddit troll running his mouth, and it's borderline gaslighting to suggest some both-sides-equivelancy between the two.
  - purplethinking 2y ago
    I can tell you that my change in political leanings, from a pretty far left stance to a center-right is based on personal experience. What you see happen in reality far outweighs what people claim online.

lazycog512 2y ago

Google HR is on the record doing this. I guess shutting one's eyes is an alternative way of seeing the real world, in a way.

AndyNemmity 2y ago
You don't need to be uncharitable. I don't work at Google, and am unfamiliar with it's implementation. It doesn't require "shutting one's eyes". From my vantage point that I see, they are a marketing implementation. I personally would like them to have real teeth, and matter.
segasaturn 2y ago
Source?

jazzyjackson 2y ago

Consider that people may develop political responses to what they see in the real world.

vkou 2y ago
History has also shown us that people develop political opinions based on whatever lies are repeated often enough in their media echo chamber. Consider the truly bizarre origins of antisemitism, for one. (And I'm not talking about people who have opinions on geopolitics in the ME. Think about how the other kind of antisemite, who doesn't give a rat's ass about what's going on 10,000 miles away reaches their political opinions.) Or, better yet, the gay satanic-panic currently gripping half the country, and the insane culture war being waged around it. You can't actually believe that all those people who have strong opinions about it have been somehow personally wronged by homosexuals. But they do turn on the telly to listen to some lunatic screaming about how there's a mass conspiracy to turn their children gay.
- jpeloquin 2y ago
  > Or, better yet, the gay satanic-panic currently gripping half the country, and the insane culture war being waged around it. You can't actually believe that all those people who have strong opinions about it have been somehow personally wronged by homosexuals. Or the satanic panic over Dungeons & Dragons in the 1980s. One of the cops ("school resource officers") in the middle school I went to still believed in that nonsense and it was the early 2000s by that point.
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  This cuts both ways. If you listen to leftie media you'd believe that trans people are going to be literally rounded up and killed in the streets after Trump takes power. Saying that "people" develop political opinions based on media lies but then excluding yourself and those that agree with you from these "people" is awfully convenient rhetorically.
  - hooverd 2y ago
    Leftie media in that case is usually just reprinting what people on the right say they intend on doing, though.
    - vkou 2y ago
      We are currently in a world where you can be banned from certain rights wing echo chambers for, verbatim, quoting the more deranged and unhinged things a major right wing political figure has said. It's not really alarmist or hyperbolic when some of the newer deranged things include not needing to vote anymore, or annexing Canada and Greenland. You have to, like, take this seriously. Its not just some reddit troll running his mouth, and it's borderline gaslighting to suggest some both-sides-equivelancy between the two.
- purplethinking 2y ago
  I can tell you that my change in political leanings, from a pretty far left stance to a center-right is based on personal experience. What you see happen in reality far outweighs what people claim online.