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They may have been a dog and pony show but were definitely real and forced executives to change how they hire and promote in illegal, discriminatory ways.

AndyNemmity 2y ago
Perhaps in your experience, I would be for them if they "forced executives to change how they hire". From my perspective, that has not happened. My problem is their lack of teeth to do what they say they do.
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- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  There were teeth, in that your own performance review (as a leader) would be affected by it. Depending on your level, your own promotion would require certain stats for your teams for it to be approved. So people made all sorts of decisions - including hiring people they shouldn’t have hired - in order to push those numbers to where they were forced to. The same happened behind closed doors on promotions.
  - AndyNemmity 2y ago
    That was not the case in my experience. I am learning that we all have vastly different experiences on what the implementation was, making the discussion rather difficult because we are all talking from very different vantage points.
    - ColdTakes 2y ago
      It would help the conversation if you expound on your experiences on implementation.
      - l0t0b0r0s 2y ago
        That would require the person having an actual argument instead of being a contrarian shill.
    - devvvvvvv 2y ago
      What exactly else did DEI initiatives do besides try to get people hired for their race instead of their competence?
      - laughinghan 2y ago
        In theory they try to get people hired for their competence rather than their network. A widely-cited anecdotal example of this reportedly working well is the Rooney Rule: https://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs06/news/story?id=2750645 https://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs06/news/story?id=2750645 This thread also has a lot of anecdotal examples of failure modes of 'diverse slate' rules, though, such as people who have already decided who to hire still interviewing women candidates just to appease the rule, thus wasting everyone's time.
        devvvvvvv 2y ago
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smrtinsert 2y ago
I think the only "dei" hire i saw was an administrative assistant that got fired ultimately. Let's not pretend eng hasn't had a massive gap in available hires for a very long time.

AndyNemmity 2y ago

Perhaps in your experience, I would be for them if they "forced executives to change how they hire". From my perspective, that has not happened. My problem is their lack of teeth to do what they say they do.

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blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
There were teeth, in that your own performance review (as a leader) would be affected by it. Depending on your level, your own promotion would require certain stats for your teams for it to be approved. So people made all sorts of decisions - including hiring people they shouldn’t have hired - in order to push those numbers to where they were forced to. The same happened behind closed doors on promotions.
- AndyNemmity 2y ago
  That was not the case in my experience. I am learning that we all have vastly different experiences on what the implementation was, making the discussion rather difficult because we are all talking from very different vantage points.
  - ColdTakes 2y ago
    It would help the conversation if you expound on your experiences on implementation.
    - l0t0b0r0s 2y ago
      That would require the person having an actual argument instead of being a contrarian shill.
  - devvvvvvv 2y ago
    What exactly else did DEI initiatives do besides try to get people hired for their race instead of their competence?
    - laughinghan 2y ago
      In theory they try to get people hired for their competence rather than their network. A widely-cited anecdotal example of this reportedly working well is the Rooney Rule: https://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs06/news/story?id=2750645 https://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs06/news/story?id=2750645 This thread also has a lot of anecdotal examples of failure modes of 'diverse slate' rules, though, such as people who have already decided who to hire still interviewing women candidates just to appease the rule, thus wasting everyone's time.
      - devvvvvvv 2y ago
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smrtinsert 2y ago

I think the only "dei" hire i saw was an administrative assistant that got fired ultimately. Let's not pretend eng hasn't had a massive gap in available hires for a very long time.