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In the article, I did not see anything about mental illness or addicts. How did FI solve for those people? Both groups have people who want to be homeless, so

In the article, I did not see anything about mental illness or addicts. How did FI solve for those people? Both groups have people who want to be homeless, so they can be left alone.

giraffe_lady 2y ago
Probably close to zero people want to be homeless per se. What happens is that people are unwilling or unable to accept the terms of housing offered, like for example strict sobriety, or not allowing pets. Family housing is also rare, and I don't think it's fair to say someone choosing to be homeless with their spouse over housed separately miles away from each other "wants to be homeless." If people are consistently declining the aid we're offering, that's a problem we can address. It is our fault, not theirs.
- samspot 2y ago
  "unwilling or unable" is extremely key. I recall a US Senator talking about his son who has schizophrenia. The father would pay for an apartment for his son, no strings attached, and still find him sleeping in the street. It may be possible to "solve" homelessness for some majority of people. But I doubt 100% is ever humanly achievable. At least, not without some massive breakthrough in understanding and intervention for mental illnesses.
metalman 2y ago
So we build semi-automomous free zones, where the infrastructure is essentialy indistructable,anyone can get a lockable secure space, and the violent sociopaths, are picked off. Facets from other proven models could include, a work for drunks program, like in some german areas, they get to clean the streets they hang out on, and are a sort of invisible "watch". Free "heroine" , for any and all who check into a controlled access facility. The real ferrals are just a fact, but are very easy to spot so the threat level is lower, but as they dont have adequate shelter, see point #1, they congregate in more southerly areas, and or, get into trouble trying to survive in northern areas. I have lived on the edge, for most of my life, seen a lot of wild things, in a lot of different places, and the story is that people just want to be seen and accepted, there, in the moment. Those moments are impossible to predict or create with any kind of predictability or repeatability. All ww can do is build the places, where that can happen, or not, and its "even", everybody can walk away, If nothing works, then there is the road, and that needs to be ok, and no one is a "vagrant" as they got a place to go. nobody is stuck.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Both groups have people who want to be homeless, so they can be left alone Why can't they be left alone in a home?
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  disruptive behavior A working mom with a 2 year old doesnt want to live next door to violent actors and drug dealers. More specifically, I think the US is unwilling to distinguish between lawful and unlawfully behaving poor, and segregate them accordingly when providing shelter.
- kansface 2y ago
  They destroy it.
mmooss 2y ago
> I did not see anything about mental illness or addicts Maybe it's not actually a problem. Maybe it's another way to promote fear, hate, division, and cynicism about social spending.

In the article, I did not see anything about mental illness or addicts. How did FI solve for those people? Both groups have people who want to be homeless, so they can be left alone.

giraffe_lady 2y ago

Probably close to zero people want to be homeless per se. What happens is that people are unwilling or unable to accept the terms of housing offered, like for example strict sobriety, or not allowing pets. Family housing is also rare, and I don't think it's fair to say someone choosing to be homeless with their spouse over housed separately miles away from each other "wants to be homeless." If people are consistently declining the aid we're offering, that's a problem we can address. It is our fault, not theirs.

samspot 2y ago
"unwilling or unable" is extremely key. I recall a US Senator talking about his son who has schizophrenia. The father would pay for an apartment for his son, no strings attached, and still find him sleeping in the street. It may be possible to "solve" homelessness for some majority of people. But I doubt 100% is ever humanly achievable. At least, not without some massive breakthrough in understanding and intervention for mental illnesses.

metalman 2y ago

So we build semi-automomous free zones, where the infrastructure is essentialy indistructable,anyone can get a lockable secure space, and the violent sociopaths, are picked off. Facets from other proven models could include, a work for drunks program, like in some german areas, they get to clean the streets they hang out on, and are a sort of invisible "watch". Free "heroine" , for any and all who check into a controlled access facility. The real ferrals are just a fact, but are very easy to spot so the threat level is lower, but as they dont have adequate shelter, see point #1, they congregate in more southerly areas, and or, get into trouble trying to survive in northern areas. I have lived on the edge, for most of my life, seen a lot of wild things, in a lot of different places, and the story is that people just want to be seen and accepted, there, in the moment. Those moments are impossible to predict or create with any kind of predictability or repeatability. All ww can do is build the places, where that can happen, or not, and its "even", everybody can walk away, If nothing works, then there is the road, and that needs to be ok, and no one is a "vagrant" as they got a place to go. nobody is stuck.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Both groups have people who want to be homeless, so they can be left alone Why can't they be left alone in a home?

s1artibartfast 2y ago
disruptive behavior A working mom with a 2 year old doesnt want to live next door to violent actors and drug dealers. More specifically, I think the US is unwilling to distinguish between lawful and unlawfully behaving poor, and segregate them accordingly when providing shelter.
kansface 2y ago
They destroy it.

mmooss 2y ago

> I did not see anything about mental illness or addicts Maybe it's not actually a problem. Maybe it's another way to promote fear, hate, division, and cynicism about social spending.