yeah I mean, isn't all of this true for ANY abstraction? Once you're off the beaten path, they're all hard to debug and optimize, they introduce extra complexit

yeah I mean, isn't all of this true for ANY abstraction? Once you're off the beaten path, they're all hard to debug and optimize, they introduce extra complexity, etc. BECAUSE they are attempting to abstract away certain details This is true for an HTTP library as much as it is an ORM.