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>This article directly reinforces about five different right-wing narratives. I didn't see that. Which ones?

by mionhe 2y ago

chmod775 2y ago
Here's a selection: - "The left" will try to deceive and deny reality even in the face of hard numbers. Obviously way more people migrate nowadays than historically. Most of the historic migration was also between geographically close, similar cultures. - "The left" is elitist, paternalizing, and kind of cringe. Academic sounding writing and quoting philosophers that have been dead for over 2000 years will not exactly endear you. - "The left" is out of touch and will talk about anything rather than address the problems people actually face. People struggle to afford rent, struggle to maintain their standard of living, and are worried about their income and crime. This article is comically far removed from addressing that.
- Mountain_Skies 2y ago
  Then you have both the left and right being in love with cheap labor. Elon Musk might have been making a fool out of himself over his desire to globalize the labor market even further to his own benefit but there's no shortage of people across the political spectrum that love having cheap lawncare, food service, and agricultural workers. It's an addiction that western society seems completely unable to even recognize as a problem, much less able to kick the addiction.
- retrac 2y ago
  > Obviously way more people migrate nowadays than historically. The peak for population movement globally was probably after WW II. Partition of India alone is like 20 million people migrating in 1947. Europe was almost as bad with tens of millions of people suddenly on the wrong side of redrawn borders. Similarly here in Canada our immigration levels per capita which are very high - maybe too high - are still at a rate similar to that of most of the late 19th century. So I am not actually sure that assertion is true.
  - bluefirebrand 2y ago
    > Similarly here in Canada our immigration levels per capita which are very high - maybe too high - are still at a rate similar to that of most of the late 19th century Per capita is often a really dishonest framing Especially compared to dates 100+ years ago, when we probably didn't have super accurate census numbers. Especially since Canadian census at the time probably didn't even really include Native Americans. It's also very different to be welcoming large amounts of immigrants of very similar cultures, versus large amounts of immigrants with very different cultures In my lifetime Canada is going to see enough of a demographic shift that people sharing the culture I grew up with are going to be the minority. I've already seen that many neighborhoods in Calgary do not really participate in Halloween anymore, for instance. Every parent in my neighborhood says they take their kids elsewhere for Halloween to go door to door because our neighborhood doesn't have many houses that participate Is that a big problem? No probably not, but it kinda sucks to see
  - Muromec 2y ago
    People don't freak out about the numbers of immigration, they freak out about what kind of immigration is happening. Me moving on the other side of the continent and a different branch of PIE language family is non-event. The person from the country next after mine and the one after are rising all the eyebrows.
  - chmod775 2y ago
    On the time scales the article uses (going back all the way to the neolithic age), all of the examples you used are essentially the present. Also the first thing that comes to mind for many people when they think "migrant" will partly be those post-WW2 migrants you are speaking of (even if now in second or third generation). The migration events you mention are very fresh, especially in people's minds. Until very recently, the first thing that came to any German's mind when migration was mentioned would have likely been a Turk (migrating here after WW2). Only recently Syrians and Ukrainians started warring for that headspace.

>This article directly reinforces about five different right-wing narratives. I didn't see that. Which ones?

by mionhe 2y ago

>This article directly reinforces about five different right-wing narratives. I didn't see that. Which ones?

Here's a selection: - "The left" will try to deceive and deny reality even in the face of hard numbers. Obviously way more people migrate nowadays than historically. Most of the historic migration was also between geographically close, similar cultures. - "The left" is elitist, paternalizing, and kind of cringe. Academic sounding writing and quoting philosophers that have been dead for over 2000 years will not exactly endear you. - "The left" is out of touch and will talk about anything rather than address the problems people actually face. People struggle to afford rent, struggle to maintain their standard of living, and are worried about their income and crime. This article is comically far removed from addressing that.

Mountain_Skies 2y ago
Then you have both the left and right being in love with cheap labor. Elon Musk might have been making a fool out of himself over his desire to globalize the labor market even further to his own benefit but there's no shortage of people across the political spectrum that love having cheap lawncare, food service, and agricultural workers. It's an addiction that western society seems completely unable to even recognize as a problem, much less able to kick the addiction.
retrac 2y ago
> Obviously way more people migrate nowadays than historically. The peak for population movement globally was probably after WW II. Partition of India alone is like 20 million people migrating in 1947. Europe was almost as bad with tens of millions of people suddenly on the wrong side of redrawn borders. Similarly here in Canada our immigration levels per capita which are very high - maybe too high - are still at a rate similar to that of most of the late 19th century. So I am not actually sure that assertion is true.
- bluefirebrand 2y ago
  > Similarly here in Canada our immigration levels per capita which are very high - maybe too high - are still at a rate similar to that of most of the late 19th century Per capita is often a really dishonest framing Especially compared to dates 100+ years ago, when we probably didn't have super accurate census numbers. Especially since Canadian census at the time probably didn't even really include Native Americans. It's also very different to be welcoming large amounts of immigrants of very similar cultures, versus large amounts of immigrants with very different cultures In my lifetime Canada is going to see enough of a demographic shift that people sharing the culture I grew up with are going to be the minority. I've already seen that many neighborhoods in Calgary do not really participate in Halloween anymore, for instance. Every parent in my neighborhood says they take their kids elsewhere for Halloween to go door to door because our neighborhood doesn't have many houses that participate Is that a big problem? No probably not, but it kinda sucks to see
- Muromec 2y ago
  People don't freak out about the numbers of immigration, they freak out about what kind of immigration is happening. Me moving on the other side of the continent and a different branch of PIE language family is non-event. The person from the country next after mine and the one after are rising all the eyebrows.
- chmod775 2y ago
  On the time scales the article uses (going back all the way to the neolithic age), all of the examples you used are essentially the present. Also the first thing that comes to mind for many people when they think "migrant" will partly be those post-WW2 migrants you are speaking of (even if now in second or third generation). The migration events you mention are very fresh, especially in people's minds. Until very recently, the first thing that came to any German's mind when migration was mentioned would have likely been a Turk (migrating here after WW2). Only recently Syrians and Ukrainians started warring for that headspace.