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Have you used Kagi? It’s easily 10x if not 100x better than Google.

throwaway290 2y ago
I have and stopped. A few people said that domain blacklisting is the killer feature worth $10. Well, actually it felt like paying to do work and locking myself in. You need to maintain those lists, new spam websites appear daily, and it does not really matter if you use precise queries. Most people don't know that Google is capable of them and Kagi capitalizes on them
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  I don't use the domain blacklisting at all, encounter spam ~never, and almost always get what I'm looking for in the top 5 results. 1) Google now requiring special skill to use is a totally legitimate way in which Google is inferior 2) I'm actually quite good at Googling and know much of the advanced syntax -- still sucks as of a few years ago! Obviously people's mileage may vary, but if anyone else is reading this and hasn't tried Kagi: you should. It is unambiguously and inarguably worth trying.
  - throwaway290 2y ago
    > I don't use the domain blacklisting at all, encounter spam ~never, and almost always get what I'm looking for in the top 5 results. I encountered spam with Kagi half a dozen times. It was labeled "trustworthy". It is 100x worse than just seeing spam. Having to pay for it just adds insult to injury. If there is a search engine it will be gamed. What we need is not trust the algorithm but have a good query mechanism. > Obviously people's mileage may vary, but if anyone else is reading this and hasn't tried Kagi: you should If your searches are uncomplicated and you are okay relying on algorithm without thinking, absolutely. buy it for your grandma and set it as her default search? 100%. But if you are a power Google user, you will be disappointed.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      I don’t even know what “trustworthy” label you’re referring to, but also no, literally no one is gaming a search engine with like 0.01% market share.
      - throwaway290 2y ago
        I thought you use Kagi. It's the label on the right of search result. When I used Kagi it could change color depending on how good Kagi thinks it is (I also remember a bar indicator under it but maybe something changed again). You click on it and you can downrank/uprank the site. If I wanted to really have only good results I would have to do it every day. I'm sure it was good for Kagi because they used it for their crowd sourced ranking but I didn't feel good doing it and paying for the privilege. I left after I noticed that Google gets me mostly the same results. Plus I have more privacy and less tracking across all web if I don't need to leave private mode. > literally no one is gaming a search engine with like 0.01% market share. Kagi is a front-end for google and other search engines. Gaming google and bing is literally gaming kagi.

I have and stopped. A few people said that domain blacklisting is the killer feature worth $10. Well, actually it felt like paying to do work and locking myself in. You need to maintain those lists, new spam websites appear daily, and it does not really matter if you use precise queries. Most people don't know that Google is capable of them and Kagi capitalizes on them

llamaimperative 2y ago
I don't use the domain blacklisting at all, encounter spam ~never, and almost always get what I'm looking for in the top 5 results. 1) Google now requiring special skill to use is a totally legitimate way in which Google is inferior 2) I'm actually quite good at Googling and know much of the advanced syntax -- still sucks as of a few years ago! Obviously people's mileage may vary, but if anyone else is reading this and hasn't tried Kagi: you should. It is unambiguously and inarguably worth trying.
- throwaway290 2y ago
  > I don't use the domain blacklisting at all, encounter spam ~never, and almost always get what I'm looking for in the top 5 results. I encountered spam with Kagi half a dozen times. It was labeled "trustworthy". It is 100x worse than just seeing spam. Having to pay for it just adds insult to injury. If there is a search engine it will be gamed. What we need is not trust the algorithm but have a good query mechanism. > Obviously people's mileage may vary, but if anyone else is reading this and hasn't tried Kagi: you should If your searches are uncomplicated and you are okay relying on algorithm without thinking, absolutely. buy it for your grandma and set it as her default search? 100%. But if you are a power Google user, you will be disappointed.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    I don’t even know what “trustworthy” label you’re referring to, but also no, literally no one is gaming a search engine with like 0.01% market share.
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      I thought you use Kagi. It's the label on the right of search result. When I used Kagi it could change color depending on how good Kagi thinks it is (I also remember a bar indicator under it but maybe something changed again). You click on it and you can downrank/uprank the site. If I wanted to really have only good results I would have to do it every day. I'm sure it was good for Kagi because they used it for their crowd sourced ranking but I didn't feel good doing it and paying for the privilege. I left after I noticed that Google gets me mostly the same results. Plus I have more privacy and less tracking across all web if I don't need to leave private mode. > literally no one is gaming a search engine with like 0.01% market share. Kagi is a front-end for google and other search engines. Gaming google and bing is literally gaming kagi.