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Americans have no idea how far advanced the Chinese car market is. The big feature 2 years ago was car starting to sprout LIDAR bumps but now that feature has

Americans have no idea how far advanced the Chinese car market is. The big feature 2 years ago was car starting to sprout LIDAR bumps but now that feature has become de rigueur enough that car brands need to figure out something new to stand out, hence the big push to advertise their active suspension. Nio's new ET9 is showing off their car doing tricks like bouncing a soccer ball (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Ezjmz63U8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Ezjmz63U8), driving with a stack of glasses on it's hood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEr_sNp7XLM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEr_sNp7XLM) and syncing the suspension to a movie (https://www.tiktok.com/@autogefuehl/video/7452259991513353504 https://www.tiktok.com/@autogefuehl/video/745225999151335350...). Yangwang is showing it leap the car in the air. At the end of the day though, the more Hertz and more acceleration your active suspension system has, the smoother it can dampen movement inside the cabin and Chinese consumers are already getting very picky about how well specced the active suspension systems are. In another 2 years time, Nio/Yuanyang style active suspension will have trickled out into enough midrange cars that it's no longer an exciting feature and Chinese car brands will figure out the latest new thing to compete. Meanwhile, American car brands will be barely half way through their model cycle refresh and just starting to think about incrementally adding a single feature or two and maybe adding a new curve to the body somewhere.

drewcoo 2y ago
> Americans have no idea how far advanced the Chinese car market is. There's a 100% tariff on Chinese cars. Of course we have no idea.
Cumpiler69 2y ago
>Americans have no idea how far advanced the Chinese car market is. Americans have no reason to care about that. Their legacy car industry is now only a vestigial part of their economy. It's an acceptable casualty when the brunt of their economy is finance, tech and services, plus owning the printer to the world reserve currency and the largest military in the world by a long margin along with large fossil fuel reserves, giving them leverage over China and the Chinese economy in other more important areas while their car industry can coast into irrelevance letting their allies Japan, Korea, Germany race to the bottom in selling American consumer cheap cars in exchange for those sweet USD. They'll be fine. On the other hand, countries like Germany where the legacy ICE auto sector is a large slice of the economy and don't have energy independence, don't issue the world reserve currency, don't have a strong military, don't have a leading finance and tech sector, but have a ballooning welfare deficit and unions fighting against the inevitable change to EV, will be less fine and more at the mercy of bullying from world powers along with a reduction in standard of living of their workers/citizens.
- RGamma 2y ago
  There's considerable risk in that strategy if taken to the extreme. Because you could eventually outsource virtually everything, including critical dependencies, and then just be left with a sort of pure military-financial hegemony, but that can be a rather unstable equilibrium. Not saying there's no tasteful way to stably approximate that state though (and even not requiring stepping on other's toes, which may actually help in combination with the right narrative).
  - Cumpiler69 2y ago
    >Because you could eventually outsource virtually everything That's reductionist. I never said anything about outsourcing everything. Ford and GM aren't going anywhere but it's clear their importance is dwindling and will just be allowed to be on life support in the future rather than a core part of the US economy.
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      what are you basing this statement on? data to support this claim?
      - Cumpiler69 2y ago
        Market trends, knowledge of history, and logic.
- rawfan 2y ago
  No idea where you get your news on Germany, but the only valid thing was the part about the auto industry being legacy. As someone working in the energy sector, I can gladly tell you we got rid off most dependencies, we’re 95% independent regarding electricity. Oil and coal are still a problem, but we’re getting there. That ballooning welfare deficit you talk about must be a joke, what are you even saying? Germany has a zero deficit policy in it’s constitution (which what’s actually causing trouble right now, especially regarding Ukraine help funding). Please also point me to information on unions fighting EV because I haven’t heard anything about this (being active in the largest German union).

drewcoo 2y ago

> Americans have no idea how far advanced the Chinese car market is. There's a 100% tariff on Chinese cars. Of course we have no idea.

Cumpiler69 2y ago

>Americans have no idea how far advanced the Chinese car market is. Americans have no reason to care about that. Their legacy car industry is now only a vestigial part of their economy. It's an acceptable casualty when the brunt of their economy is finance, tech and services, plus owning the printer to the world reserve currency and the largest military in the world by a long margin along with large fossil fuel reserves, giving them leverage over China and the Chinese economy in other more important areas while their car industry can coast into irrelevance letting their allies Japan, Korea, Germany race to the bottom in selling American consumer cheap cars in exchange for those sweet USD. They'll be fine. On the other hand, countries like Germany where the legacy ICE auto sector is a large slice of the economy and don't have energy independence, don't issue the world reserve currency, don't have a strong military, don't have a leading finance and tech sector, but have a ballooning welfare deficit and unions fighting against the inevitable change to EV, will be less fine and more at the mercy of bullying from world powers along with a reduction in standard of living of their workers/citizens.

RGamma 2y ago
There's considerable risk in that strategy if taken to the extreme. Because you could eventually outsource virtually everything, including critical dependencies, and then just be left with a sort of pure military-financial hegemony, but that can be a rather unstable equilibrium. Not saying there's no tasteful way to stably approximate that state though (and even not requiring stepping on other's toes, which may actually help in combination with the right narrative).
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  >Because you could eventually outsource virtually everything That's reductionist. I never said anything about outsourcing everything. Ford and GM aren't going anywhere but it's clear their importance is dwindling and will just be allowed to be on life support in the future rather than a core part of the US economy.
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    what are you basing this statement on? data to support this claim?
    - Cumpiler69 2y ago
      Market trends, knowledge of history, and logic.
rawfan 2y ago
No idea where you get your news on Germany, but the only valid thing was the part about the auto industry being legacy. As someone working in the energy sector, I can gladly tell you we got rid off most dependencies, we’re 95% independent regarding electricity. Oil and coal are still a problem, but we’re getting there. That ballooning welfare deficit you talk about must be a joke, what are you even saying? Germany has a zero deficit policy in it’s constitution (which what’s actually causing trouble right now, especially regarding Ukraine help funding). Please also point me to information on unions fighting EV because I haven’t heard anything about this (being active in the largest German union).