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Google search is almost useless for anything but the most basic queries now. Anything technical and it ignores half of the search terms like you said.

by jazdw 2y ago

wahnfrieden 2y ago
intext: and quoting solves this…
- unlikelymordant 2y ago
  I haven't found quoting helps much. I also feel like i shouldnt have to craft search queries with a lot of inurl or other tags or quoting. Kagi just seems to work better. Its worth 10$ a month to me to not have to worry about it, I use search engines a lot.
  - throwaway290 2y ago
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    - silver_silver 2y ago
      You’re paying Google via the profile they have of you. Remember there’s no such thing as a free lunch while you’re feeling so superior
      - throwaway290 2y ago
        If you use Kagi and visit any sites with google analytics etc. then you are paying Kagi with your bucks AND Google with your profile. Oh and you can use Google completely anonymously. You can't do it with Kagi. All your searches go with your billing address (but you can trust Vlad they won't ever use it to profile you). Maybe the aura of superiority from paying $10 per month for something 99% ppl don't pay for blinds you to the above facts.
        phluxbox 2y ago
        It costs money to run a service. If you are not paying for that service, there is an obvious incentive to monetize your data. If you are paying a reasonable price for a service, that business can sustain itself without using advertising. Your billing address is not something advertisers can use to track you. Sure, if you use Kagi to commit crimes you may not be anonymous to the police. But there are a lot of people who do not want to be profiled by ad networks, yet do not consider providing their billing information to be a privacy issue. Your comment about "the aura of superiority" is dismissive and a little confrontational. The commenter you were responding to was clear about why he likes Kagi - better results. I agree with him. I find that searches for product reviews and similar commercial terms have much higher quality results than google. I also find that I get better results when I am searching for errors or lines from logfiles. Even when quoted, I find that Google will often return results that partially match my quote ignoring the important part, which makes the search useless.
        throwaway290 2y ago
        > If you are not paying for that service, there is an obvious incentive to monetize your data. And it goes away if you pay for it? > Sure, if you use Kagi to commit crimes you may not be anonymous to the police. The "nothing to hide" arguments, gotcha. > But there are a lot of people who do not want to be profiled by ad networks And using Kagi helps with that how? You know that if you open any website from results, you are still profiled by ad networks? > Your comment about "the aura of superiority" is dismissive and a little confrontational I was replying to someone who accused me of being superior (because I know how to use Google? lol). Garbage in, garbage out. > Even when quoted, I find that Google will often return results that partially match my quote ignoring the important part As I said, if there is no exact match I see "no results for your search". It is a daily occurrence. It smells of planted misinformation, sorry. Considering you are a newly created account as well.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      Have you used Kagi? It’s easily 10x if not 100x better than Google.
      - throwaway290 2y ago
        I have and stopped. A few people said that domain blacklisting is the killer feature worth $10. Well, actually it felt like paying to do work and locking myself in. You need to maintain those lists, new spam websites appear daily, and it does not really matter if you use precise queries. Most people don't know that Google is capable of them and Kagi capitalizes on them
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        I don't use the domain blacklisting at all, encounter spam ~never, and almost always get what I'm looking for in the top 5 results. 1) Google now requiring special skill to use is a totally legitimate way in which Google is inferior 2) I'm actually quite good at Googling and know much of the advanced syntax -- still sucks as of a few years ago! Obviously people's mileage may vary, but if anyone else is reading this and hasn't tried Kagi: you should. It is unambiguously and inarguably worth trying.
        throwaway290 2y ago
        > I don't use the domain blacklisting at all, encounter spam ~never, and almost always get what I'm looking for in the top 5 results. I encountered spam with Kagi half a dozen times. It was labeled "trustworthy". It is 100x worse than just seeing spam. Having to pay for it just adds insult to injury. If there is a search engine it will be gamed. What we need is not trust the algorithm but have a good query mechanism. > Obviously people's mileage may vary, but if anyone else is reading this and hasn't tried Kagi: you should If your searches are uncomplicated and you are okay relying on algorithm without thinking, absolutely. buy it for your grandma and set it as her default search? 100%. But if you are a power Google user, you will be disappointed.
        2y ago
    - unlikelymordant 2y ago
      I have been using search for engines for 30 years, my queries are not vague, i put as many keywords and "inurl"s and whatnot in as i can manage. I dont use kagi blocklists. Google results for my specific queries are garbage. I am much happier with kagi. If you are happy with google, thats fine too. Perhaps we are just in different bubbles and mine are not well served by google.
      - throwaway290 2y ago
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      - anileated 2y ago
        > i put as many keywords and "inurl"s and whatnot in as i can manage More keywords does the opposite of narrowing the query. Unless you use quotes and/or other operators, it’s enough for the document to contain only one of your keywords (anywhere, including meta tags) to be a match. Hope this helps.
  - wahnfrieden 2y ago
    and intext: ? I didn't say that quoting solves it
bibligabye 2y ago
Google Search has been in decline since they came up with Google+ and removed the Plus Operator from Google Search at the same time (and replaced it with quotes that don't do the same thing). About 13-14 years ago.
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  If you add minus signs to of popular sites you get better results. However you then end up with a search of something like: -google -twitter -reddit -amazon -youtube some search

Google search is almost useless for anything but the most basic queries now. Anything technical and it ignores half of the search terms like you said.

by jazdw 2y ago

Google search is almost useless for anything but the most basic queries now. Anything technical and it ignores half of the search terms like you said.

wahnfrieden 2y ago

intext: and quoting solves this…

unlikelymordant 2y ago
I haven't found quoting helps much. I also feel like i shouldnt have to craft search queries with a lot of inurl or other tags or quoting. Kagi just seems to work better. Its worth 10$ a month to me to not have to worry about it, I use search engines a lot.
- throwaway290 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - silver_silver 2y ago
    You’re paying Google via the profile they have of you. Remember there’s no such thing as a free lunch while you’re feeling so superior
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      If you use Kagi and visit any sites with google analytics etc. then you are paying Kagi with your bucks AND Google with your profile. Oh and you can use Google completely anonymously. You can't do it with Kagi. All your searches go with your billing address (but you can trust Vlad they won't ever use it to profile you). Maybe the aura of superiority from paying $10 per month for something 99% ppl don't pay for blinds you to the above facts.
      - phluxbox 2y ago
        It costs money to run a service. If you are not paying for that service, there is an obvious incentive to monetize your data. If you are paying a reasonable price for a service, that business can sustain itself without using advertising. Your billing address is not something advertisers can use to track you. Sure, if you use Kagi to commit crimes you may not be anonymous to the police. But there are a lot of people who do not want to be profiled by ad networks, yet do not consider providing their billing information to be a privacy issue. Your comment about "the aura of superiority" is dismissive and a little confrontational. The commenter you were responding to was clear about why he likes Kagi - better results. I agree with him. I find that searches for product reviews and similar commercial terms have much higher quality results than google. I also find that I get better results when I am searching for errors or lines from logfiles. Even when quoted, I find that Google will often return results that partially match my quote ignoring the important part, which makes the search useless.
        throwaway290 2y ago
        > If you are not paying for that service, there is an obvious incentive to monetize your data. And it goes away if you pay for it? > Sure, if you use Kagi to commit crimes you may not be anonymous to the police. The "nothing to hide" arguments, gotcha. > But there are a lot of people who do not want to be profiled by ad networks And using Kagi helps with that how? You know that if you open any website from results, you are still profiled by ad networks? > Your comment about "the aura of superiority" is dismissive and a little confrontational I was replying to someone who accused me of being superior (because I know how to use Google? lol). Garbage in, garbage out. > Even when quoted, I find that Google will often return results that partially match my quote ignoring the important part As I said, if there is no exact match I see "no results for your search". It is a daily occurrence. It smells of planted misinformation, sorry. Considering you are a newly created account as well.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Have you used Kagi? It’s easily 10x if not 100x better than Google.
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      I have and stopped. A few people said that domain blacklisting is the killer feature worth $10. Well, actually it felt like paying to do work and locking myself in. You need to maintain those lists, new spam websites appear daily, and it does not really matter if you use precise queries. Most people don't know that Google is capable of them and Kagi capitalizes on them
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        I don't use the domain blacklisting at all, encounter spam ~never, and almost always get what I'm looking for in the top 5 results. 1) Google now requiring special skill to use is a totally legitimate way in which Google is inferior 2) I'm actually quite good at Googling and know much of the advanced syntax -- still sucks as of a few years ago! Obviously people's mileage may vary, but if anyone else is reading this and hasn't tried Kagi: you should. It is unambiguously and inarguably worth trying.
        throwaway290 2y ago
        > I don't use the domain blacklisting at all, encounter spam ~never, and almost always get what I'm looking for in the top 5 results. I encountered spam with Kagi half a dozen times. It was labeled "trustworthy". It is 100x worse than just seeing spam. Having to pay for it just adds insult to injury. If there is a search engine it will be gamed. What we need is not trust the algorithm but have a good query mechanism. > Obviously people's mileage may vary, but if anyone else is reading this and hasn't tried Kagi: you should If your searches are uncomplicated and you are okay relying on algorithm without thinking, absolutely. buy it for your grandma and set it as her default search? 100%. But if you are a power Google user, you will be disappointed.
        2y ago
  - unlikelymordant 2y ago
    I have been using search for engines for 30 years, my queries are not vague, i put as many keywords and "inurl"s and whatnot in as i can manage. I dont use kagi blocklists. Google results for my specific queries are garbage. I am much happier with kagi. If you are happy with google, thats fine too. Perhaps we are just in different bubbles and mine are not well served by google.
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      [flagged]
    - anileated 2y ago
      > i put as many keywords and "inurl"s and whatnot in as i can manage More keywords does the opposite of narrowing the query. Unless you use quotes and/or other operators, it’s enough for the document to contain only one of your keywords (anywhere, including meta tags) to be a match. Hope this helps.
- wahnfrieden 2y ago
  and intext: ? I didn't say that quoting solves it

bibligabye 2y ago

Google Search has been in decline since they came up with Google+ and removed the Plus Operator from Google Search at the same time (and replaced it with quotes that don't do the same thing). About 13-14 years ago.

doublerabbit 2y ago
If you add minus signs to of popular sites you get better results. However you then end up with a search of something like: -google -twitter -reddit -amazon -youtube some search