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I've observed rather different things. The people I know who eat the most meat are the Crossfitters around me. They are, in almost all cases, healthy. I have a
by scythe 14y ago
I've observed rather different things. The people I know who eat the most meat are the Crossfitters around me. They are, in almost all cases, healthy.
I have a roommate who drinks fat-free milk and eats lots of salad and pasta, who avoids meat like the plague. He's been struggling with his weight for as long as I've known him. I drink coconut milk -- which contains nothing but fat -- and a meal usually consists of some randomly selected fatty cut of meat and vegetables fried in the drippings. That, or cheap canned fish. I lost weight eating like this. I fit in skinny jeans. I may with luck convince my almost-girlfriend to peg me. :3
But the important thing -- I don't advertise. I am not a walking bulletin of the health benefits of coconut and sardines. How do you really know about the diets of the people around you? I would say there are maybe four or five people around me whose diets I actually know well enough to analyze in any reasonable way.
Case A is a twenty-two year old recent Caltech graduate who is obsessed with freerunning and eats nearly-strict paleo. He can do a backflip. No further comments. We grew up together.
Case B is my roommate. He follows all the conventional advice to a T -- chicken, fish, whole grain, salad. Lots of "health food" products. Y'know, healthiest potato chips on the shelf. There is bread, there is soybean oil mayonnaise. It... doesn't seem to be working.
Case C is another good friend of mine. Eats a lot of processed cheap stuff; he's the sort that'll buy three pounds of animal crackers. When I first met him he was rather obese and said he was try'na learn to eat vegetables. He lost a lot of weight after we introduced him to ecstasy... and he's been eating healthier too. He's sloowly coming around; one of his recent facebook statuses involved making hard-boiled eggs. He looks better and seems happy. Score 281,443 for MDMA.
Case D is me. I'm kind of a dick, judging people like this. People who I like. I don't really know any other way to be honest about how I make decisions, though.
When I was eleven my parents tried to force me to switch from whole milk to 2%. I responded by walking two miles to the gas station to buy milk. I'm the only kid in my family who never had weight problems growing up.
Eyes optional.
- dhechols 14y agoFreerunner here. Most of my diet consists of peanut butter and blueberry jam on toasted bread, yogurt, chicken, eggs, rice, protein powder, cottage cheese, and hummus. Oh yeah, and sometimes I buy a giant can of mixed fruit and eat the whole thing. It's like dessert.
- raverbashing 14y agoCoconut oil contains healthy fats, as well as MCTs (medium chain triglycerides) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-chain_triglycerides http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-chain_triglycerides Oh and testosterone is synthesized from cholesterol so low intake of cholesterol may affect testosterone levels (and testosterone -> fat loss)
- Shorel 14y agoLet me add something: Vitamin-D (extremely important for your bones) is also a form of cholesterol.
- progrock 14y agoI don't think I'd advocate the E plan diet as a healthy weightloss program! Coconut is another food that's been demonised. Supposedly it actually encourages weight loss - and is a super food. I only wish it were cheaper here in the UK.
- analog 14y agoWell Ecstasy as an alternative to alcohol might actually be good for your overall health. I seem to remember that epistemologically it's one of the safest of the recreational drugs; safer than alcohol, tobacco, speed etc.
- 1_player 14y agoWell, it's safe if you buy it from a chemist. Also, in powder form (MDMA) is better than in pills.
- progrock 14y agoI don't think that the associated brain damage linked to ecstasy makes it that safe in either form. Scientists can't assertain just yet as to whether the damage is human repairable or not.
- uriah 14y agoI hadn't heard of the brain damage link. When searching for information on it, however, I mainly came across references to a study last year that said it is does not, in fact, cause brain damage. Additional mystery ingredients might be another story. http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/feb/19/ecstasy-harm-brain-new-study http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/feb/19/ecstasy-harm-b... http://www.addictionjournal.org/viewpressrelease.asp?pr=147 http://www.addictionjournal.org/viewpressrelease.asp?pr=147
- progrock 14y agoI was refering to long term effects caused by Serotonin depletion.
- analog 14y ago...healthiest potato chips on the shelf... ...bread, there is soybean oil mayonnaise... All of these are fairly high calorie foods, even if you buy them in a health food shop. You'd need to have a fast metabolism and be pretty active to get through all these. If you eat more calories than you burn you will put on fat.
- jawr 14y agoI think metabolism is a huge factor when considering the above examples; the guy that eats only healthy foods might not have an efficient metabolism and be doing enough exercise to burn off the calories he is taking in. Also, the big guy that takes loads of pills (e's) and eats what he wants... I don't think this is a good example at all and it sounds like you also take them too (perhaps an explanation for you and your skinny jeans?). On a side note, the link is throwing a 403 :(
- fhoxh 14y agoAs per his Twitter feed[1]: "We're being kicked off HostGator for crashing their server due to volume. Working to get a dedicated server. Sorry for inconvenience!" In the meantime, Google's cache of this article is here: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=cache:http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/how-did-we-come-to-believe-saturated-fat-and-cholesterol-are-bad-for-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?client=safari&#... And the direct link to his talk [video] is here: http://vimeo.com/45485034 http://vimeo.com/45485034 [1] https://twitter.com/EatLikePete/statuses/225822001154117632 https://twitter.com/EatLikePete/statuses/225822001154117632
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- geon 14y agoSo, because your body doesn't have the tendency to put on weight, you eat what you like. Your friends who tend to get fat easily watch what the y eat, but it's not helping them that much. This really sounds to me like there are great differences in metabolism person to person. I have always been skinny, and I eat a lot of whatever. I don't exercise much. I know people who are "big", but eat less than I do.
- jqueryin 14y agoUnfortunately skinny does not imply healthy. I am also skinny with high metabolism, but that doesn't mean it's okay to eat whatever you want and forego exercise as your internals could be like those of a much older individual (heart, lungs, etc).
- mikecane 14y ago>>>Unfortunately skinny does not imply healthy. Yes, this: Thin people can be fat on the inside http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18594089/ns/health-fitness/t/thin-people-can-be-fat-inside/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18594089/ns/health-fitness/t/thi... Doesn't matter how thin you are. Inside, your cardiac arteries can be clogged as hell.
- BSousa 14y agoPeople don't have that much difference in metabolisms (unless we are talking about actual health problems or differences between severe overweight and athletes). What happens is most people don't know what they are eating. BBC did a documentary where two friends, one skinny and one fat, swore the difference was due to metabolism, that the skinny one ate a lot and the fat one didn't. They tested it and found out that the fat one used more calories than the thin one, but also took a lot more calories per day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTr1JUvEiUU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTr1JUvEiUU
- analog 14y agoThe basal metabolic rate varies between individuals. One study of 150 adults representative of the population in Scotland reported basal metabolic rates from as low as 1027 kcal per day (4301 kJ) to as high as 2499 kcal (10455 kJ) [1] Your metabolism also slows noticeably as you get older. In my 20s I could eat anything (and lots of it) without being able to gain any weight. Now in my 40s I have to lift weights (to increase metabolism) and watch what I eat to stop putting on fat. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate
- julianz 14y agoYep, after more than 10 years of eating "healthy whole grains", reduced fat, loads of fruit and veg and doing various different kinds of exercise -- all without seeing huge results -- I, my wife and several friends started eating in a much more primal/paleo style a year ago. All of us have seen major, effortless weight loss, muscle gain and all feel dramatically better. It's a no brainer.
- rb2k_ 14y agoexactly the same for me
- robbiep 14y agoAah the pinger diet strikes again
- mdpye 14y agoWeight is only one indicator of health. Gain or loss in weight is related purely to calorific intake, nothing to do with whether what you eat is good for you.
- Julianhearn 14y agoWeight gain is not because you have eaten the wrong food its due to too many calories. Simple as that.
- JPKab 14y agoWhat a stupid statement. It is analogous to this: "Why is this building crowded?" Your answer: "It's due to too many people inside. Simple as that." Real answer: There is a popular band inside, which has caused more people to walk into the building in a given 3 hour period than leave it. The "too many calories" people (you are one of them)all think that the effect of a bad diet (which is often bad caloric partitioning in the body, causing plummeting energy levels as fat cells steal nutrients from the rest of the body, causing a fat person to feel tired and hungry) is also the root cause. Do kids grow because they eat more? No. They eat more because they are in a growth spurt. Obesity works the same way. A bad diet wreaks havoc on the endocrine system, mainly with insulin levels, causing excessive fat accumulation due to calories being partitioned to fat cells at the expense of the rest of the body. If a person with this kind of caloric partitioning doesn't eat excessive amounts of calories, they will feel tired. If they continue to eat the wrong kinds of foods (foods which continue the bad endocrine reaction) they will continue getting fatter in a feedback loop. But hey, with advice like yours, you should really go and help others. Go to an insomnia board, and when someone complains of being tired, just say "Insomnia is because you don't get enough sleep. Simple as that." What a dumb ass.
- Julianhearn 14y agoWhat evidence do you have that too many calories dont result in weight gain? I bet you that if eat 5000 calories of "healthy" food and your daily requirement is 3000 you will gain weight, and if you eat 2000 calories of "bad" food you will lose weight.
- jerf 14y ago"What evidence do you have that too many calories dont result in weight gain?" You should read the parent again, more carefully. The point is not that that is not a true statement, the point is that is a vacuous statement, and therefore, the wrong question. It is not controversial that things that cause weight gain cause you to gain weight, but it's not a useful statement for either science or engineering, and we have collectively wasted an awful lot of time and research while laboring under the delusion that this was some sort of actual explanation, rather than a mere restatement of the problem.
- rb2k_ 14y agoYour diet sounds like a lot of the 'low carb' ones. I personally try to eat a paleo/keto-ish diet which mainly consists of eggs, meat, veggies and a bit of fruit and nuts. In general anything that doesn't contain sugars or things that get metabolized into sugars (carbs, starches, sugary stuff itself...)). I lost 12 kg while eating tons of meat. For me the 'just don't eat a lot of carbohydrates' part of it really works.
- uriah 14y agoModeration is often a side effect of paleo diets, isn't it? Traditionally structured diets with high carbs, moderate protein, and low fat, similar to "Case B" can work well too (see: Japan). However, it's easy to overeat on such a diet compared to paleo.