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It's not the iPhone, it's just a recent, fancy phone versus an out-of-date or cheap one. I refuse to pay $1K (Canadabucks) for something that could be destroye

It's not the iPhone, it's just a recent, fancy phone versus an out-of-date or cheap one. I refuse to pay $1K (Canadabucks) for something that could be destroyed in an instant if I happen to drop it or sit on it. I get whatever low-end phone Costco is pushing at the moment. The current one is a Moto G Play 2023 that cost me all of CAD$140 on special. It works fine, but bloat can catch up to anything. I use an app called Flashfood. It was fine. Then they restyled it. And whatever else they did, on my phone it is now so glacially slow that I don't use it as much any more. They'll never know, because they test it on $1K phones where you can waste so much compute on a glorified screen refresh. The actual functionality could have been done with a 2010 vintage phone, if coded efficiently. They should be testing on low-end phones. Because a significant percentage of the user base has them. Somewhere in a fiction novel I read about a music industry executive who would listen to new material on a crappy little record player, not on super fancy studio monitor equipment. Because that's what it had to sound good on.

whycome 2y ago
> The current one is a Moto G Play 2023 Interestingly, Google uses and emulated Moto G (Power) for site speed testing in their pagesight/lighthouse tool. > Captured at Jan 9, 2025 at 11:23 AM EST Emulated Moto G Power with Lighthouse 12.2.3 Single page sessionThis data is taken from a single page session, as opposed to field data summarizing many sessions. Initial page load Slow 4G throttling Using HeadlessChromium 131.0.6778.139 with lr https://pagespeed.web.dev/ https://pagespeed.web.dev/
scarface_74 2y ago
> It's not the iPhone, it's just a recent, fancy phone versus an out-of-date or cheap one. The article states that the fastest Android phone is about the same speed as the 4 year old iPhone 12.
jasonjmcghee 2y ago
Totally understand your position. For what it's worth, a lot of the higher end phones these days are much more durable. I have a handful of years out of date iphone and am not careful with it. It's been through a lot. I have always had a hard silicon case on it (seems dumb to not use a case), but the phone itself genuinely still looks brand new. Also if you buy a few generations old refurbished, it's only a few hundred, not $1k. All this being said, of course apps should run on low-mid end hardware. They're still wildly powerful devices.
- MarkusWandel 2y ago
  Fair enough, but disasters still happen. Someone in my family dropped a fairly late model iphone into a lake. They did recover it the next day, but by then it had leaked, i.e. it was deeper than the pressure it was waterproofed for. A friend had hers snatched by thieves. Gone in an instant. I don't in general need the power (or camera) of an expensive phone (except for the app mentioned). And I'd rather have a recent, lower-end one than an older higher-end one, having been burned a few times by apps "not compatible with your device" due to the OS being too old, admittedly only on older iDevices that the kids play with or truly ancient Android tablets. Oh, and two iPhone 7 vintage devices that were given to us as kids' playthings a few years ago (both with forgotten activation locks, so useless) were absolutely thrashed. They are tough but not infinitely so.
ziml77 2y ago
> Canadabucks I prefer Canadollars
fidotron 2y ago
> Somewhere in a fiction novel I read about a music industry executive who would listen to new material on a crappy little record player, not on super fancy studio monitor equipment Tangent, but the Yamaha NS10, the de facto studio monitor, is used precisely because if you can make it sound good on those it will sound good on anything. They're awful.
- PeterHolzwarth 2y ago
  This is utterly fascinating, and something I absolutely would never have encountered or suspected without your comment. Thanks! And, your comment is without exaggeration, as per the wikipedia article on the speaker: "it may lead to listener fatigue with prolonged use in the domestic setting" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_NS-10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_NS-10
  - wlonkly 2y ago
    Another common mixing/mastering speaker back in the day, not sure about now, was the Auratone Sound Cube and its descendants -- tiny enclosure with a single driver, not full range, but "unforgiving midrange". https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/auratone-5c-super-sound-cube https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/auratone-5c-super-sound... https://tapeop.com/reviews/gear/111/5c-super-sound-cube-speaker/ https://tapeop.com/reviews/gear/111/5c-super-sound-cube-spea...
scarface_74 2y ago
> It's not the iPhone, it's just a recent, fancy phone versus an out-of-date or cheap one. They compared high end Android phones and they were still slower than any iPhone that has been introduced in the past three years. In the US, 70% of users own iPhones. They are all faster than any Android phone if bought in the last three years.
settsu 2y ago
Used and refurb devices are a thing. I'm not justifying badly-optimized sites/apps but frankly I don't expect an entry level 4 cylinder gas-powered car to perform the same as a high-end EV.
- MarkusWandel 2y ago
  Me neither, and if I wanted to play the fanciest mobile games, or something else that truly needs the compute, I'd get the tool to do it. A simple app that provably worked fine on a low-end device being ruined by added bloat just because they restyled the visuals still sucks. Especially because the app (Flashfood) is for budget conscious shoppers, who may disproportionately have lower-end devices.
  - settsu 2y ago
    Yeah it's not okay to foist poorly tested releases on users.
TMWNN 2y ago
>Somewhere in a fiction novel I read about a music industry executive who would listen to new material on a crappy little record player, not on super fancy studio monitor equipment. Because that's what it had to sound good on. Marissa Mayer, while at Google, kept using dialup at home so she would experience what someone without broadband sees.
TheNewsIsHere 2y ago
I witnessed exactly this at work at a prior company. Odds were good that each year Apple would reserve space for or specifically invite (one year onstage) folks from the company to WWDC. And each year the founder of the company and usually at least 2-3 developers would buy the latest iPhone or Mac, and that would become the new development flagship. Sometimes they’d get advance access to new hardware, and they’d always take advantage of face to face time with Apple’s platform developers. Now it made sense for new features like Touch ID, then Face ID. There was good reason to test that support on real hardware. But we’re talking every year. I try to use my devices until they’re no longer in support at least. Sometimes I’ll upgrade outside that cadence, but rarely. I learned the impact that has on the end user real quick. In 2018 I was rocking a 2015 MacBook Pro that was not maxed out on RAM and CPU, and our flagship product ran like shit on it because all the developers were running new MacBook Pros with as much RAM and CPU as they could buy.

whycome 2y ago

> The current one is a Moto G Play 2023 Interestingly, Google uses and emulated Moto G (Power) for site speed testing in their pagesight/lighthouse tool. > Captured at Jan 9, 2025 at 11:23 AM EST Emulated Moto G Power with Lighthouse 12.2.3 Single page sessionThis data is taken from a single page session, as opposed to field data summarizing many sessions. Initial page load Slow 4G throttling Using HeadlessChromium 131.0.6778.139 with lr https://pagespeed.web.dev/ https://pagespeed.web.dev/

scarface_74 2y ago

> It's not the iPhone, it's just a recent, fancy phone versus an out-of-date or cheap one. The article states that the fastest Android phone is about the same speed as the 4 year old iPhone 12.

jasonjmcghee 2y ago

Totally understand your position. For what it's worth, a lot of the higher end phones these days are much more durable. I have a handful of years out of date iphone and am not careful with it. It's been through a lot. I have always had a hard silicon case on it (seems dumb to not use a case), but the phone itself genuinely still looks brand new. Also if you buy a few generations old refurbished, it's only a few hundred, not $1k. All this being said, of course apps should run on low-mid end hardware. They're still wildly powerful devices.

MarkusWandel 2y ago
Fair enough, but disasters still happen. Someone in my family dropped a fairly late model iphone into a lake. They did recover it the next day, but by then it had leaked, i.e. it was deeper than the pressure it was waterproofed for. A friend had hers snatched by thieves. Gone in an instant. I don't in general need the power (or camera) of an expensive phone (except for the app mentioned). And I'd rather have a recent, lower-end one than an older higher-end one, having been burned a few times by apps "not compatible with your device" due to the OS being too old, admittedly only on older iDevices that the kids play with or truly ancient Android tablets. Oh, and two iPhone 7 vintage devices that were given to us as kids' playthings a few years ago (both with forgotten activation locks, so useless) were absolutely thrashed. They are tough but not infinitely so.

ziml77 2y ago

> Canadabucks I prefer Canadollars

fidotron 2y ago

> Somewhere in a fiction novel I read about a music industry executive who would listen to new material on a crappy little record player, not on super fancy studio monitor equipment Tangent, but the Yamaha NS10, the de facto studio monitor, is used precisely because if you can make it sound good on those it will sound good on anything. They're awful.

PeterHolzwarth 2y ago
This is utterly fascinating, and something I absolutely would never have encountered or suspected without your comment. Thanks! And, your comment is without exaggeration, as per the wikipedia article on the speaker: "it may lead to listener fatigue with prolonged use in the domestic setting" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_NS-10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_NS-10
- wlonkly 2y ago
  Another common mixing/mastering speaker back in the day, not sure about now, was the Auratone Sound Cube and its descendants -- tiny enclosure with a single driver, not full range, but "unforgiving midrange". https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/auratone-5c-super-sound-cube https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/auratone-5c-super-sound... https://tapeop.com/reviews/gear/111/5c-super-sound-cube-speaker/ https://tapeop.com/reviews/gear/111/5c-super-sound-cube-spea...

scarface_74 2y ago

> It's not the iPhone, it's just a recent, fancy phone versus an out-of-date or cheap one. They compared high end Android phones and they were still slower than any iPhone that has been introduced in the past three years. In the US, 70% of users own iPhones. They are all faster than any Android phone if bought in the last three years.

settsu 2y ago

Used and refurb devices are a thing. I'm not justifying badly-optimized sites/apps but frankly I don't expect an entry level 4 cylinder gas-powered car to perform the same as a high-end EV.

MarkusWandel 2y ago
Me neither, and if I wanted to play the fanciest mobile games, or something else that truly needs the compute, I'd get the tool to do it. A simple app that provably worked fine on a low-end device being ruined by added bloat just because they restyled the visuals still sucks. Especially because the app (Flashfood) is for budget conscious shoppers, who may disproportionately have lower-end devices.
- settsu 2y ago
  Yeah it's not okay to foist poorly tested releases on users.

TMWNN 2y ago

>Somewhere in a fiction novel I read about a music industry executive who would listen to new material on a crappy little record player, not on super fancy studio monitor equipment. Because that's what it had to sound good on. Marissa Mayer, while at Google, kept using dialup at home so she would experience what someone without broadband sees.

TheNewsIsHere 2y ago

I witnessed exactly this at work at a prior company. Odds were good that each year Apple would reserve space for or specifically invite (one year onstage) folks from the company to WWDC. And each year the founder of the company and usually at least 2-3 developers would buy the latest iPhone or Mac, and that would become the new development flagship. Sometimes they’d get advance access to new hardware, and they’d always take advantage of face to face time with Apple’s platform developers. Now it made sense for new features like Touch ID, then Face ID. There was good reason to test that support on real hardware. But we’re talking every year. I try to use my devices until they’re no longer in support at least. Sometimes I’ll upgrade outside that cadence, but rarely. I learned the impact that has on the end user real quick. In 2018 I was rocking a 2015 MacBook Pro that was not maxed out on RAM and CPU, and our flagship product ran like shit on it because all the developers were running new MacBook Pros with as much RAM and CPU as they could buy.