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> I imagine a Pixel 8 or S23 compare pretty well to 'iOS’ In fact from the article it doesn’t. Modern Android phones have the performance of a 4 year old iPho

> I imagine a Pixel 8 or S23 compare pretty well to 'iOS’ In fact from the article it doesn’t. Modern Android phones have the performance of a 4 year old iPhone. When the new iPhone SE is introduced this year - Apples low end $400 phone - I wouldn’t be surprised if it is faster than high end Android phones. It will probably be based on the iPhone 16 SOC. > In fact, your looking at the iPhone 12 until you find a previous version of the iPhone that scores less than todays fastest Samsung Android device. To add a little more perspective, this device was first sold over 4 years ago!

fidotron 2y ago
Yeah, Apple started pulling away from Android with the 64 bit transition that caught everyone by surprise, and the Android performance has simply never caught up again. The halcyon days of the Qualcomm Krait (which certainly had some problems) are very long gone by now.
crowcroft 2y ago
This is a fair point, even an optimistic read for Android has their best phones sitting somewhere on the lower end of the iPhone distribution. I wonder if the relationship between Geekbench score and TTI etc. are linear though. My guess is the areas that slow Android down are crappy phones that are freezing up from lack of RAM lack of headroom in processing power due to system overhead. ie any phone above a certain threshold score is probably fine. I could be very wrong though!
- scarface_74 2y ago
  He is comparing high end phones though and traditionally Android phones come with more RAM than iPhones. If a low end hypothetical iPhone SE comes out this year with the iPhone 16 SOC, there will be no iPhone that is as slow as the fastest Android phone. The iPhone 14 is the slowest iPhone Apple sells and soon won’t be selling that or the SE in the EU at least because they both use Lightning instead of USB.
  - crowcroft 2y ago
    Yea, iPhones are FAST. My point is that in the graph showing Geekbench score and INP [1] you can draw a straight line, but what I see in the graph are three clusters – phones with a Geekbench score: - above 1,500 (look very good) - between 500 and 1,500 (look decent still) - below 500 (really terrible) Both an iPhone and a flagship Android will have a much better INP than a phone with a Geekbench score of 500. I'm not so sure if an iPhone has a much better INP score than a flagship Android though (maybe it does, I'm not seeing that in the data though). [1] https://calendar.perfplanet.com/images/2024/alex/1_9TNKz0qd5pdSMXNc6Qth2A.png https://calendar.perfplanet.com/images/2024/alex/1_9TNKz0qd5...
- youngtaff 2y ago
  It’s lack of / small size of processor caches on the chips that are used Android phones that’s the big issue — Alex Russell has a good post about this somewhere

fidotron 2y ago

Yeah, Apple started pulling away from Android with the 64 bit transition that caught everyone by surprise, and the Android performance has simply never caught up again. The halcyon days of the Qualcomm Krait (which certainly had some problems) are very long gone by now.

crowcroft 2y ago

This is a fair point, even an optimistic read for Android has their best phones sitting somewhere on the lower end of the iPhone distribution. I wonder if the relationship between Geekbench score and TTI etc. are linear though. My guess is the areas that slow Android down are crappy phones that are freezing up from lack of RAM lack of headroom in processing power due to system overhead. ie any phone above a certain threshold score is probably fine. I could be very wrong though!

scarface_74 2y ago
He is comparing high end phones though and traditionally Android phones come with more RAM than iPhones. If a low end hypothetical iPhone SE comes out this year with the iPhone 16 SOC, there will be no iPhone that is as slow as the fastest Android phone. The iPhone 14 is the slowest iPhone Apple sells and soon won’t be selling that or the SE in the EU at least because they both use Lightning instead of USB.
- crowcroft 2y ago
  Yea, iPhones are FAST. My point is that in the graph showing Geekbench score and INP [1] you can draw a straight line, but what I see in the graph are three clusters – phones with a Geekbench score: - above 1,500 (look very good) - between 500 and 1,500 (look decent still) - below 500 (really terrible) Both an iPhone and a flagship Android will have a much better INP than a phone with a Geekbench score of 500. I'm not so sure if an iPhone has a much better INP score than a flagship Android though (maybe it does, I'm not seeing that in the data though). [1] https://calendar.perfplanet.com/images/2024/alex/1_9TNKz0qd5pdSMXNc6Qth2A.png https://calendar.perfplanet.com/images/2024/alex/1_9TNKz0qd5...
youngtaff 2y ago
It’s lack of / small size of processor caches on the chips that are used Android phones that’s the big issue — Alex Russell has a good post about this somewhere