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Is this the world we want to live in? Reserving good things for the already advantaged? Wouldn’t life be a little better if we considered the needs of people a

by jckahn 2y ago

Is this the world we want to live in? Reserving good things for the already advantaged? Wouldn’t life be a little better if we considered the needs of people a bit less lucky than ourselves?

tomoyoirl 2y ago
Eh. If one wanted to do charity for the less fortunate, it might be better to just work for or give to bona fide charitable causes - rather than operating a marginal, possibly unprofitable Android app.
- jckahn 2y ago
  This is missing the point. Shouldn't software generally work well for the people who use it? Or are we really just saying out loud that we build software for our own enrichment and the users are just a means to that end?
- smaudet 2y ago
  Again, this sort of mind-rot is the worst... What happens when your general approach (ignore the margins) means the "bona fide charitable causes" can't operate because they all require top-of-the-line equipment to even be functional? Software is already shite, stop trying to justify making it more shite.
- silversmith 2y ago
  I own a Samsung S24 Ultra, by choice. Would not consider myself a charity case. I got my first smartphone years and years ago, and it was an android. Then they came out with the iPhone 3GS, and I briefly had that. Didn't like it, traded for an Android. Was ready to experiment back then, even briefly ran Windows Phone flashed on a HTC device. But inertia had its way with me, and I've been sticking with Android ever since. I have all the apps I need. I have my ages-old "weird" workflows set up, like keepass synced through OneDrive. I run an andblocker on firefox. Moving to an iPhone would be just so much pain for no real gain. If you don't provide an Android app, well, provide me with a burner iPhone if you want me to use your service.
SoftTalker 2y ago
It wasn't meant to be a moral judgement on iPhone vs. Android users. But Apple clearly targets the upper income demographic. None of their products are cheap. It's pretty frequently advised here to "raise your rates" or "charge more" in part because once you cut off the customers who are bottom-feeders, a whole bunch of problems go away.
- jckahn 2y ago
  A whole bunch of problems go away, but so do a whole bunch of solutions for people who might need them. Disadvantaged people deserve a chance to have solutions to their problems too. If we want a society that’s worth being a part of, we’d do well to consider those people. The fact that you equate people who can’t afford an iPhone to “bottom feeders” is quite telling.

by jckahn 2y ago

Is this the world we want to live in? Reserving good things for the already advantaged? Wouldn’t life be a little better if we considered the needs of people a bit less lucky than ourselves?

tomoyoirl 2y ago

Eh. If one wanted to do charity for the less fortunate, it might be better to just work for or give to bona fide charitable causes - rather than operating a marginal, possibly unprofitable Android app.

jckahn 2y ago
This is missing the point. Shouldn't software generally work well for the people who use it? Or are we really just saying out loud that we build software for our own enrichment and the users are just a means to that end?
smaudet 2y ago
Again, this sort of mind-rot is the worst... What happens when your general approach (ignore the margins) means the "bona fide charitable causes" can't operate because they all require top-of-the-line equipment to even be functional? Software is already shite, stop trying to justify making it more shite.
silversmith 2y ago
I own a Samsung S24 Ultra, by choice. Would not consider myself a charity case. I got my first smartphone years and years ago, and it was an android. Then they came out with the iPhone 3GS, and I briefly had that. Didn't like it, traded for an Android. Was ready to experiment back then, even briefly ran Windows Phone flashed on a HTC device. But inertia had its way with me, and I've been sticking with Android ever since. I have all the apps I need. I have my ages-old "weird" workflows set up, like keepass synced through OneDrive. I run an andblocker on firefox. Moving to an iPhone would be just so much pain for no real gain. If you don't provide an Android app, well, provide me with a burner iPhone if you want me to use your service.

SoftTalker 2y ago

It wasn't meant to be a moral judgement on iPhone vs. Android users. But Apple clearly targets the upper income demographic. None of their products are cheap. It's pretty frequently advised here to "raise your rates" or "charge more" in part because once you cut off the customers who are bottom-feeders, a whole bunch of problems go away.

jckahn 2y ago
A whole bunch of problems go away, but so do a whole bunch of solutions for people who might need them. Disadvantaged people deserve a chance to have solutions to their problems too. If we want a society that’s worth being a part of, we’d do well to consider those people. The fact that you equate people who can’t afford an iPhone to “bottom feeders” is quite telling.