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Can’t wait to watch anime with AI generated subs, it will be a beautiful trainwreck.

by bdz 2y ago

GaggiX 2y ago
You don't need to wait, you can use: https://github.com/m-bain/whisperX https://github.com/m-bain/whisperX right now for STT with timestamps and diarization.
mossTechnician 2y ago
Amazon has already rolled out AI-generated subtitles for Crunchyroll anime. I discovered this while watching Last Exile, a show that has already been subtitled and dubbed in English. It's funny for a second, and then incredibly frustrating after that. Character names are regularly wrong, and sentences get rewritten to have different meanings. Instead of just reading subtitles, you have to mentally evaluate them for errors. At best, AI generated subtitles should be a last resort.
- portaouflop 2y ago
  You get what you pay for I guess. Translators are paid pennies and AI is making it much worse. Who in their right mind would aspire to become a professional translator today?
  - mossTechnician 2y ago
    That's the part that really confuses me. Somebody already did pay for translation from Japanese to English subtitles, then for a voice cast to dub the anime. The original subtitles are nowhere to be found; the closed captions are based on the English language dub.
Dalewyn 2y ago
As a former fansub translator, it's better for mankind this way. Further thoughts on the matter: https://old.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/dnpzrh/everyone_flipping_out_over_osakabehimes/f5f895x/?context=3 https://old.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/dnpzrh/everyone...
- mplanchard 2y ago
  IMO this kind of thing is a symptom of so few people knowing multiple languages. It doesn’t take much time in a second language to realize how much of an art translation is. Heck, even if you only know English, reading a few translations of classic literature should make it obvious. I really hope AI doesn’t totally ruin the market for actually decent translations of books, films, and television by making something “good enough” so cheap that nobody gets into the industry anymore.
  - Dr4kn 2y ago
    DeppL's business model is exactly this. The words translated per day increases a lot the past few years, because of it. You let DeepL translate the text, and real Translators use it as a starting point. DeepL is already pretty good, but it still needs a proper translator for the optimal output. That translator just saves a lot of time not having to translate every word.
thih9 2y ago
Wouldn't be new though, entertainment companies are already exploring AI subtitles; and official anime subtitles can be a trainwreck too. > Many anime fans were concerned about the low-quality subtitles in The Yuzuki Family's Four Sons' debut episode, leading some to believe that they had been generated by A.I. These subtitles were notoriously awkward -- occasionally to the point of being nonsensical -- and featured numerous grammar issues; Crunchyroll was forced to delete the episode following outrage by fans on social media, with many asking why they didn't pay professionals to do a better job. https://www.cbr.com/crunchyroll-ai-anime-subtitles-investment/ https://www.cbr.com/crunchyroll-ai-anime-subtitles-investmen...
krige 2y ago
Already happened last year, both with fansubs and official releases - Nokotan springs to mind. It was indeed a trainwreck. Although having it done real time should also be funny.

Can’t wait to watch anime with AI generated subs, it will be a beautiful trainwreck.

by bdz 2y ago

Can’t wait to watch anime with AI generated subs, it will be a beautiful trainwreck.

You don't need to wait, you can use: https://github.com/m-bain/whisperX https://github.com/m-bain/whisperX right now for STT with timestamps and diarization.

mossTechnician 2y ago

Amazon has already rolled out AI-generated subtitles for Crunchyroll anime. I discovered this while watching Last Exile, a show that has already been subtitled and dubbed in English. It's funny for a second, and then incredibly frustrating after that. Character names are regularly wrong, and sentences get rewritten to have different meanings. Instead of just reading subtitles, you have to mentally evaluate them for errors. At best, AI generated subtitles should be a last resort.

portaouflop 2y ago
You get what you pay for I guess. Translators are paid pennies and AI is making it much worse. Who in their right mind would aspire to become a professional translator today?
- mossTechnician 2y ago
  That's the part that really confuses me. Somebody already did pay for translation from Japanese to English subtitles, then for a voice cast to dub the anime. The original subtitles are nowhere to be found; the closed captions are based on the English language dub.

Dalewyn 2y ago

As a former fansub translator, it's better for mankind this way. Further thoughts on the matter: https://old.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/dnpzrh/everyone_flipping_out_over_osakabehimes/f5f895x/?context=3 https://old.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/dnpzrh/everyone...

mplanchard 2y ago
IMO this kind of thing is a symptom of so few people knowing multiple languages. It doesn’t take much time in a second language to realize how much of an art translation is. Heck, even if you only know English, reading a few translations of classic literature should make it obvious. I really hope AI doesn’t totally ruin the market for actually decent translations of books, films, and television by making something “good enough” so cheap that nobody gets into the industry anymore.
- Dr4kn 2y ago
  DeppL's business model is exactly this. The words translated per day increases a lot the past few years, because of it. You let DeepL translate the text, and real Translators use it as a starting point. DeepL is already pretty good, but it still needs a proper translator for the optimal output. That translator just saves a lot of time not having to translate every word.

thih9 2y ago

Wouldn't be new though, entertainment companies are already exploring AI subtitles; and official anime subtitles can be a trainwreck too. > Many anime fans were concerned about the low-quality subtitles in The Yuzuki Family's Four Sons' debut episode, leading some to believe that they had been generated by A.I. These subtitles were notoriously awkward -- occasionally to the point of being nonsensical -- and featured numerous grammar issues; Crunchyroll was forced to delete the episode following outrage by fans on social media, with many asking why they didn't pay professionals to do a better job. https://www.cbr.com/crunchyroll-ai-anime-subtitles-investment/ https://www.cbr.com/crunchyroll-ai-anime-subtitles-investmen...

krige 2y ago

Already happened last year, both with fansubs and official releases - Nokotan springs to mind. It was indeed a trainwreck. Although having it done real time should also be funny.