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> Women get ostracised from I.T. fairly early on What evidence have you found that suggests that women are systematically ostracized from I.T.?

by kvnn 14y ago

SCdF 14y ago
It's all anecdotal of course, but my female IT friends, both in uni and work, have to deal with not being made welcome, or being made too welcome. If I got leared at and hit on all the time when I'm just trying to get shit done I'd feel like I wasn't welcome either.
Volpe 14y ago
The low numbers of women in I.T with CS majors, is indicative of this. Are you just trying to enforce a burden of proof here? Or do you seriously not think that woman are ostracised in I.T?
- colmvp 14y ago
  There's a lot of Asian's in IT in the U.S., yet how many are CTO's or CEO's in Silicon Valley? Are Asian's ostracized from upper management?
  - Volpe 14y ago
    I'm not sure what point you are driving to. I was referring world wide, not just U.S. I suspect, yes, in some countries asian's are ostracised from upper management.
vorg 14y ago
> What evidence have you found that suggests that women are systematically ostracized from I.T.? It's pervasive in everything, even in the names of stuff. E.g. there's a recent programming language that calls its interpolated strings "G-Strings". That's the class name in the code. A method for finding out the length of the "G-String" was added, called "size", in addition to the existing one called "length". So... assert "----V----".size() == 9 The language designers who invented those names had a good old laugh at the pun in the mailing lists. But female programmers are often offended, and have a case for having that language (and related web framework) banned from their workplace, in favor of another.
- CamperBob2 14y ago
  And I'm supposed to hire anyone with that much of a stick up their ass, regardless of gender?
- einhverfr 14y ago
  Where do you draw the line though? We often say in the Perl world that objects that are ported to Moose "grow antlers." Arguably this is at least as female-hostile statement since only male moose grow antlers and therefore it establishes a male-normal perspective.

> Women get ostracised from I.T. fairly early on What evidence have you found that suggests that women are systematically ostracized from I.T.?

by kvnn 14y ago

> Women get ostracised from I.T. fairly early on What evidence have you found that suggests that women are systematically ostracized from I.T.?

SCdF 14y ago

It's all anecdotal of course, but my female IT friends, both in uni and work, have to deal with not being made welcome, or being made too welcome. If I got leared at and hit on all the time when I'm just trying to get shit done I'd feel like I wasn't welcome either.

Volpe 14y ago

The low numbers of women in I.T with CS majors, is indicative of this. Are you just trying to enforce a burden of proof here? Or do you seriously not think that woman are ostracised in I.T?

colmvp 14y ago
There's a lot of Asian's in IT in the U.S., yet how many are CTO's or CEO's in Silicon Valley? Are Asian's ostracized from upper management?
- Volpe 14y ago
  I'm not sure what point you are driving to. I was referring world wide, not just U.S. I suspect, yes, in some countries asian's are ostracised from upper management.

vorg 14y ago

> What evidence have you found that suggests that women are systematically ostracized from I.T.? It's pervasive in everything, even in the names of stuff. E.g. there's a recent programming language that calls its interpolated strings "G-Strings". That's the class name in the code. A method for finding out the length of the "G-String" was added, called "size", in addition to the existing one called "length". So... assert "----V----".size() == 9 The language designers who invented those names had a good old laugh at the pun in the mailing lists. But female programmers are often offended, and have a case for having that language (and related web framework) banned from their workplace, in favor of another.

CamperBob2 14y ago
And I'm supposed to hire anyone with that much of a stick up their ass, regardless of gender?
einhverfr 14y ago
Where do you draw the line though? We often say in the Perl world that objects that are ported to Moose "grow antlers." Arguably this is at least as female-hostile statement since only male moose grow antlers and therefore it establishes a male-normal perspective.