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a closer comparison would be the sbc with n100 chip. they are roughly same price but n100 sbc offer much better performance, and power consumption as well > I

a closer comparison would be the sbc with n100 chip. they are roughly same price but n100 sbc offer much better performance, and power consumption as well > I managed to get my N100 mini pc to 1.3-1.5W idle power consumption at wall with active wifi connection (screen turned off), so for headless server idling most of the time the N100 is better option. https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/04/29/raspberry-pi-5-intel-n100-mini-pc-comparison-features-benchmarks-price/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/04/29/raspberry-pi-5-intel...

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alias_neo 2y ago
We had this discussion with the 8GB Pi 5, at which time I argued that a mini PC (I got a Minisforum UM480[0] with a mobile Ryzen 7 8C/16T with 32GB RAM and 1TB NVMe for a ~£260 on sale) is in another league performance and feature wise while not costing as much more than a Pi as you'd think once you factor in the cost of the Pi + cooler + uSD + PSU + case + NVMe base/HAT + NVMe SSD. I've been a fan of the Pi since the beginning, and in the SBC world, their support is unmatched, but with these improvements, they're speccing themselves more into homelab/server/desktop use than straight tinkering/GPIO stuff, all while the prices are pricing them out of that market. If you don't want to annihilate the performance of a Pi 5 like the Minisforum mini-PC does, you can buy a complete N100 mini-PC for ~£100 with all of the RAM, storage, case, IO and PSU included that will still destroy a Pi 5 and actually cost you less up-and-running and still get better performance. [0]https://store.minisforum.com/pages/product https://store.minisforum.com/pages/product (Click UM480, their website design doesn't let me link to it directly)
chronogram 2y ago
It always struck me as odd that people use default config Windows power consumption figures for the N100 boxes. My 14 year old Sandy Bridge laptop can pull 1-2W idle on Linux with a modern desktop; a more modern SoC with fewer parts would be broken if it can't do that. (I often bring out that old ThinkPad X220 to test software on older hardware, and it's so satisfying how fast that thing still is until you open the browser.)

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alias_neo 2y ago

We had this discussion with the 8GB Pi 5, at which time I argued that a mini PC (I got a Minisforum UM480[0] with a mobile Ryzen 7 8C/16T with 32GB RAM and 1TB NVMe for a ~£260 on sale) is in another league performance and feature wise while not costing as much more than a Pi as you'd think once you factor in the cost of the Pi + cooler + uSD + PSU + case + NVMe base/HAT + NVMe SSD. I've been a fan of the Pi since the beginning, and in the SBC world, their support is unmatched, but with these improvements, they're speccing themselves more into homelab/server/desktop use than straight tinkering/GPIO stuff, all while the prices are pricing them out of that market. If you don't want to annihilate the performance of a Pi 5 like the Minisforum mini-PC does, you can buy a complete N100 mini-PC for ~£100 with all of the RAM, storage, case, IO and PSU included that will still destroy a Pi 5 and actually cost you less up-and-running and still get better performance. [0]https://store.minisforum.com/pages/product https://store.minisforum.com/pages/product (Click UM480, their website design doesn't let me link to it directly)

chronogram 2y ago

It always struck me as odd that people use default config Windows power consumption figures for the N100 boxes. My 14 year old Sandy Bridge laptop can pull 1-2W idle on Linux with a modern desktop; a more modern SoC with fewer parts would be broken if it can't do that. (I often bring out that old ThinkPad X220 to test software on older hardware, and it's so satisfying how fast that thing still is until you open the browser.)