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> To me it's the part where prison is apparently even worse than risking your life fighting fires for free. Makes perfect sense to me, even if the prison was a

> To me it's the part where prison is apparently even worse than risking your life fighting fires for free. Makes perfect sense to me, even if the prison was a five-star hotel. The human mind is hard-wired to want to explore and get out. Universally, one of the most difficult parts of being in prison is being forced to stay within the prison walls. The fact that these walls exist is a necessary compromise between keeping society safe and the natural rights of those imprisoned. Any opportunity to get outside the walls will of course be desirable.

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mulmen 2y ago
> The human mind is hard-wired to want to explore and get out. We also have a self preservation instinct.
- solatic 2y ago
  True, but it doesn't trigger when you hear about the fire in the abstract. It triggers only once you are face-to-face with the smoke and wall of fire.
  - mulmen 2y ago
    Right, this is the loophole in the human psyche that California is exploiting in their slaves.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      how so?
      - mulmen 2y ago
        The desire to escape is strong in prison when the decision to fight fires is made. The self preservation instinct doesn’t kick in until the danger becomes real at which point it is too late. This difference in perception is what prison labor exploits in prisoners.
        s1artibartfast 2y ago
        I thought the core of your concern, then I think it's addressed by the lack of regret in reality. Do you have any data on prisoner firefighter retention and turnover? My understanding is that these people ought to fight fire after fire and stay in the program.
        solatic 2y ago
        Wouldn't prisoners come back from the firefighting, regret having made the decision, and tell other prisoners that they were afraid for their lives and they shouldn't volunteer; that they wouldn't be volunteering again? Wouldn't this persuade people not to volunteer, and it wouldn't be seen as desirable? Your argument is a fine hypothesis, but I think it falls apart in the data.

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mulmen 2y ago

> The human mind is hard-wired to want to explore and get out. We also have a self preservation instinct.

solatic 2y ago
True, but it doesn't trigger when you hear about the fire in the abstract. It triggers only once you are face-to-face with the smoke and wall of fire.
- mulmen 2y ago
  Right, this is the loophole in the human psyche that California is exploiting in their slaves.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    how so?
    - mulmen 2y ago
      The desire to escape is strong in prison when the decision to fight fires is made. The self preservation instinct doesn’t kick in until the danger becomes real at which point it is too late. This difference in perception is what prison labor exploits in prisoners.
      - s1artibartfast 2y ago
        I thought the core of your concern, then I think it's addressed by the lack of regret in reality. Do you have any data on prisoner firefighter retention and turnover? My understanding is that these people ought to fight fire after fire and stay in the program.
      - solatic 2y ago
        Wouldn't prisoners come back from the firefighting, regret having made the decision, and tell other prisoners that they were afraid for their lives and they shouldn't volunteer; that they wouldn't be volunteering again? Wouldn't this persuade people not to volunteer, and it wouldn't be seen as desirable? Your argument is a fine hypothesis, but I think it falls apart in the data.