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Every talking head believes the system doesn’t work. Trump just got elected largely on a platform of claiming the current system isn’t working. What are we sup

by jl6 2y ago

Every talking head believes the system doesn’t work. Trump just got elected largely on a platform of claiming the current system isn’t working. What are we supposed to do, switch from democracy to vigilante murder as a system of government?

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savemangione 2y ago
And yet the US were created by bloody revolution, preserved by bloody civil war, and made prosperous by countless bloody coups, wars, etc. Perhaps the problem is that democracy isn't really any different than any other form of country-level government. Perhaps we lost for ever when our ancestors started founding cities a few thousand years ago.
ZeroGravitas 2y ago
Maybe they are right, the current system doesn't work, and the answer is to switch to democracy? Plenty of sensible policies have popular support in America and have done for a while. Americans are not as dumb as their politics would suggest.
- jl6 2y ago
  America is a “flawed democracy”: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2024/03/21/why-america-is-a-flawed-democracy https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2024/03/21/why-amer... The path to improving it does not go via vigilante murder. Some form of immigration control now has majority support. Should people go round executing immigrants because that would be more directly democratic?
  - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
    So I'm arguing for democracy. I'm a fan of it and you see a lot of prominent people even within the US (Theil, the GOP, Curtis Yarvin, as well as burned out doomers) arguing and working against it so that is not just pointless posturing. Democracy generally works well, and America becoming a poster child for "Why Democracy is bad" is a development that could lead to real horrors, at home and across the globe. You don't have to condone political violence to support more democracy to avoid it. Even in nations, like the US, where political violence is celebrated every single day.

by jl6 2y ago

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savemangione 2y ago

And yet the US were created by bloody revolution, preserved by bloody civil war, and made prosperous by countless bloody coups, wars, etc. Perhaps the problem is that democracy isn't really any different than any other form of country-level government. Perhaps we lost for ever when our ancestors started founding cities a few thousand years ago.

ZeroGravitas 2y ago

Maybe they are right, the current system doesn't work, and the answer is to switch to democracy? Plenty of sensible policies have popular support in America and have done for a while. Americans are not as dumb as their politics would suggest.

jl6 2y ago
America is a “flawed democracy”: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2024/03/21/why-america-is-a-flawed-democracy https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2024/03/21/why-amer... The path to improving it does not go via vigilante murder. Some form of immigration control now has majority support. Should people go round executing immigrants because that would be more directly democratic?
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  So I'm arguing for democracy. I'm a fan of it and you see a lot of prominent people even within the US (Theil, the GOP, Curtis Yarvin, as well as burned out doomers) arguing and working against it so that is not just pointless posturing. Democracy generally works well, and America becoming a poster child for "Why Democracy is bad" is a development that could lead to real horrors, at home and across the globe. You don't have to condone political violence to support more democracy to avoid it. Even in nations, like the US, where political violence is celebrated every single day.