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Do you think assassinating arch-dukes was being sold as virtuous back then either? Especially by the churches which were the moral arbiters of the time? Plenty

by lazide 2y ago

Do you think assassinating arch-dukes was being sold as virtuous back then either? Especially by the churches which were the moral arbiters of the time? Plenty of people were still in favor, clearly.

martin-t 2y ago
The difference is in the past most discourse was by mouth - impossible to censor and eavesdropping was costly because you needed a person to do it. These days more and more discourse is online - heavily censored by platform rules which are much more strict than laws, partially because it makes the moderator's job easier to err on the side of caution, partially because it teaches people to self censor which then extends into real life - censorship can be automated and even invisible (shadowbanning, fake degradation of QoL, ...) - eavesdropping is also automated and omnipresent The real danger of AI or LLMs these days is not they machines will want to kill us but that powerful people will use them to mass-profile everyone and stop any dissent from spreading. Do you think China will have a revolution and restore democracy? How? How will people organize? And every currently democratic state will be the same - democracy only needs to fail once and it will be almost impossible to restore. --- EDIT: Even word of mouth is in danger, sufficiently powerful organizations are or will be able to access microphones near you. Or cameras for lip reading. Again, en-masse, automated by AI.
llm_trw 2y ago
By the Serbian orthodox Church? https://images.app.goo.gl/dqHBEnQvy2hc6RHD8 https://images.app.goo.gl/dqHBEnQvy2hc6RHD8 This is them blessing the troops to go kill the Austrians a month later.
- lazide 2y ago
  Sure, after the declaration of war by the state. The Church (depending on which definition you use) sponsored plenty of Crusades too. None of these actions are ‘rebel against the machine’. Though that does sometimes happen, usually leading to/in the middle of a civil war.
- grujicd 2y ago
  It was a blessing for a defensive war. Serbians didn't "go" anywhere to attack Austrians. It was the other way around. But I guess you already know that. Why did you choose to write "to go kill" when they didn't go anywhere?

by lazide 2y ago

Do you think assassinating arch-dukes was being sold as virtuous back then either? Especially by the churches which were the moral arbiters of the time? Plenty of people were still in favor, clearly.

martin-t 2y ago

The difference is in the past most discourse was by mouth - impossible to censor and eavesdropping was costly because you needed a person to do it. These days more and more discourse is online - heavily censored by platform rules which are much more strict than laws, partially because it makes the moderator's job easier to err on the side of caution, partially because it teaches people to self censor which then extends into real life - censorship can be automated and even invisible (shadowbanning, fake degradation of QoL, ...) - eavesdropping is also automated and omnipresent The real danger of AI or LLMs these days is not they machines will want to kill us but that powerful people will use them to mass-profile everyone and stop any dissent from spreading. Do you think China will have a revolution and restore democracy? How? How will people organize? And every currently democratic state will be the same - democracy only needs to fail once and it will be almost impossible to restore. --- EDIT: Even word of mouth is in danger, sufficiently powerful organizations are or will be able to access microphones near you. Or cameras for lip reading. Again, en-masse, automated by AI.

llm_trw 2y ago

By the Serbian orthodox Church? https://images.app.goo.gl/dqHBEnQvy2hc6RHD8 https://images.app.goo.gl/dqHBEnQvy2hc6RHD8 This is them blessing the troops to go kill the Austrians a month later.

lazide 2y ago
Sure, after the declaration of war by the state. The Church (depending on which definition you use) sponsored plenty of Crusades too. None of these actions are ‘rebel against the machine’. Though that does sometimes happen, usually leading to/in the middle of a civil war.
grujicd 2y ago
It was a blessing for a defensive war. Serbians didn't "go" anywhere to attack Austrians. It was the other way around. But I guess you already know that. Why did you choose to write "to go kill" when they didn't go anywhere?