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Don't mistake public support for memes. This is the reason why Kamala was predicted to win. In reality, the "I don't care which candidate is in the office" was

Don't mistake public support for memes. This is the reason why Kamala was predicted to win. In reality, the "I don't care which candidate is in the office" was the top choice this recent election.

kfrzcode 2y ago
I would argue the 2024 election was quite the opposite. > More than 155 million Americans voted in 2024: 156,302,318 to be exact. That’s the second largest total voter turnout in U.S. history in absolute terms. It is also just the second time that more than 140 million people voted in a presidential election. https://www.cfr.org/article/2024-election-numbers https://www.cfr.org/article/2024-election-numbers
- messe 2y ago
  The relative turnout is always going to be more interesting given that population growth means you'll almost always soon exceed your total turnout within a few election cycles: > In relative terms, voter turnout nationally in 2024 was 63.9 percent. That is below the 66.6 percent voter turnout recorded in 2020, which was the highest voter turnout rate in a U.S. presidential election since 1900. Nonetheless, turnout in 2024 was still high by modern standards. The 1960 election between John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon (63.8 percent) is the only other election in the last 112 years to exceed 63 percent voter turnout. If you are wondering, the election of 1876 holds the record for the highest percentage voter turnout: 82.6 percent. That was one of America’s most controversial and consequential elections—and not in a good way. It was also an election in which more than half the adult-age population was ineligible to vote.
- croemer 2y ago
  Don't use absolute numbers here, that's lying with statistics. The correct metric would be relative turnout and that doesn't support your claim: > In relative terms, voter turnout nationally in 2024 was 63.9 percent. That is below the 66.6 percent voter turnout recorded in 2020, which was the highest voter turnout rate in a U.S. presidential election since 1900
  - kleiba 2y ago
    Speaking of relative: since the term "landslide" has been thrown around in the direct aftermath of the election quite a bit, it's interesting to note that nationwide, Trump only received 1.5% more votes than Harris. This is especially telling in the light of the numbers you just gave on voter turnout.
    - croemer 2y ago
      But this time he _did_ win the popular vote, in contrast to the 2016 election against Hillary Clinton.
    - datavirtue 2y ago
      Both sides received significantly less votes than previous election. One side just happened to drive better turnout. That is all.
      - _mlbt 2y ago
        The enthusiasm gap was entirely on the Democrat side this past election. Donald Trump won considerably more votes this past election than he ever has. There are also a significant number of prominent former lifelong Democrats that switched to being Trump supporters. Joe Rogan, RFK Jr., and Elon Musk come to mind. > Trump won 77,284,118 votes, or 49.8 percent of the votes cast for president. That is the second highest vote total in U.S. history, trailing only the 81,284,666 votes that Joe Biden won in 2020. Trump won 3,059,799 more popular votes in 2024 than he won in 2020 and 14,299,293 more than he won in 2016. He now holds the record for the most cumulative popular votes won by any presidential candidate in U.S. history, surpassing Barack Obama. Running three times for the White House obviously helps. https://www.cfr.org/article/2024-election-numbers https://www.cfr.org/article/2024-election-numbers
        croemer 2y ago
        Again, these absolute numbers are misleading due to population growth. See my post up the chain.
thrance 2y ago
In the case of Mangione, some stats proved his support reached the real world. If I remember correctly, something like 43% of <30s approved of his crime.
- CaptainFever 2y ago
  https://stratpolitics.org/2024/12/unitedhealthcare-poll/ https://stratpolitics.org/2024/12/unitedhealthcare-poll/ 31% positive for those under 45, 8% positive for those above 45. 41% negative for those under 45, 77% negative for those above 45. Not the majority, even for younger people. And remember, this is just U.S. opinion; people in other countries might view this differently (likely even more negatively).
  - tokioyoyo 2y ago
    Not an American, so I don't really have much say in it. But, if 31% of your younger population is thinking that assassination was justified... That's tens of millions of people. I would be wondering why, and how that is even acceptable. It's definitely showing how it can't be categorized as black/white issue.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      Yeah, this isn't an election. 31% of your people supporting anything that is traditionally unjustifyable is something at least worth looking into.
  - thrance 2y ago
    Ah, thanks, I forgot the real numbers. That's still tens of millions of people supporting an assassin, which majority or not, should tell you something about this country.
  - hendiatris 2y ago
    Look at the website for that polling company. It is bizarre. None of the people on the people page have the company on their LinkedIn pages. Seems to be astroturf. Edit: look at the photos of the people… AI generated perhaps?
johnnyanmac 2y ago
There are actual statistics about this past memes though.There were conservative personalities dogged down in trying to reject Luigi. I get your point. But the key difference is that "giving support" is a lot different than getting out to vote (which pains me to say). Statistically, 58% of those young people voting for Kamala didn't even bother going to the polls. The worst spreader of this was the justice system though. You escalate crimes so high in a hug profile case, of course it will spread like wildfire.

Don't mistake public support for memes. This is the reason why Kamala was predicted to win. In reality, the "I don't care which candidate is in the office" was the top choice this recent election.

kfrzcode 2y ago

I would argue the 2024 election was quite the opposite. > More than 155 million Americans voted in 2024: 156,302,318 to be exact. That’s the second largest total voter turnout in U.S. history in absolute terms. It is also just the second time that more than 140 million people voted in a presidential election. https://www.cfr.org/article/2024-election-numbers https://www.cfr.org/article/2024-election-numbers

messe 2y ago
The relative turnout is always going to be more interesting given that population growth means you'll almost always soon exceed your total turnout within a few election cycles: > In relative terms, voter turnout nationally in 2024 was 63.9 percent. That is below the 66.6 percent voter turnout recorded in 2020, which was the highest voter turnout rate in a U.S. presidential election since 1900. Nonetheless, turnout in 2024 was still high by modern standards. The 1960 election between John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon (63.8 percent) is the only other election in the last 112 years to exceed 63 percent voter turnout. If you are wondering, the election of 1876 holds the record for the highest percentage voter turnout: 82.6 percent. That was one of America’s most controversial and consequential elections—and not in a good way. It was also an election in which more than half the adult-age population was ineligible to vote.
croemer 2y ago
Don't use absolute numbers here, that's lying with statistics. The correct metric would be relative turnout and that doesn't support your claim: > In relative terms, voter turnout nationally in 2024 was 63.9 percent. That is below the 66.6 percent voter turnout recorded in 2020, which was the highest voter turnout rate in a U.S. presidential election since 1900
- kleiba 2y ago
  Speaking of relative: since the term "landslide" has been thrown around in the direct aftermath of the election quite a bit, it's interesting to note that nationwide, Trump only received 1.5% more votes than Harris. This is especially telling in the light of the numbers you just gave on voter turnout.
  - croemer 2y ago
    But this time he _did_ win the popular vote, in contrast to the 2016 election against Hillary Clinton.
  - datavirtue 2y ago
    Both sides received significantly less votes than previous election. One side just happened to drive better turnout. That is all.
    - _mlbt 2y ago
      The enthusiasm gap was entirely on the Democrat side this past election. Donald Trump won considerably more votes this past election than he ever has. There are also a significant number of prominent former lifelong Democrats that switched to being Trump supporters. Joe Rogan, RFK Jr., and Elon Musk come to mind. > Trump won 77,284,118 votes, or 49.8 percent of the votes cast for president. That is the second highest vote total in U.S. history, trailing only the 81,284,666 votes that Joe Biden won in 2020. Trump won 3,059,799 more popular votes in 2024 than he won in 2020 and 14,299,293 more than he won in 2016. He now holds the record for the most cumulative popular votes won by any presidential candidate in U.S. history, surpassing Barack Obama. Running three times for the White House obviously helps. https://www.cfr.org/article/2024-election-numbers https://www.cfr.org/article/2024-election-numbers
      - croemer 2y ago
        Again, these absolute numbers are misleading due to population growth. See my post up the chain.

thrance 2y ago

In the case of Mangione, some stats proved his support reached the real world. If I remember correctly, something like 43% of <30s approved of his crime.

CaptainFever 2y ago
https://stratpolitics.org/2024/12/unitedhealthcare-poll/ https://stratpolitics.org/2024/12/unitedhealthcare-poll/ 31% positive for those under 45, 8% positive for those above 45. 41% negative for those under 45, 77% negative for those above 45. Not the majority, even for younger people. And remember, this is just U.S. opinion; people in other countries might view this differently (likely even more negatively).
- tokioyoyo 2y ago
  Not an American, so I don't really have much say in it. But, if 31% of your younger population is thinking that assassination was justified... That's tens of millions of people. I would be wondering why, and how that is even acceptable. It's definitely showing how it can't be categorized as black/white issue.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    Yeah, this isn't an election. 31% of your people supporting anything that is traditionally unjustifyable is something at least worth looking into.
- thrance 2y ago
  Ah, thanks, I forgot the real numbers. That's still tens of millions of people supporting an assassin, which majority or not, should tell you something about this country.
- hendiatris 2y ago
  Look at the website for that polling company. It is bizarre. None of the people on the people page have the company on their LinkedIn pages. Seems to be astroturf. Edit: look at the photos of the people… AI generated perhaps?

johnnyanmac 2y ago

There are actual statistics about this past memes though.There were conservative personalities dogged down in trying to reject Luigi. I get your point. But the key difference is that "giving support" is a lot different than getting out to vote (which pains me to say). Statistically, 58% of those young people voting for Kamala didn't even bother going to the polls. The worst spreader of this was the justice system though. You escalate crimes so high in a hug profile case, of course it will spread like wildfire.